Effect on handling of new tyres.
Effect on handling of new tyres.
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grahamw48

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9,944 posts

267 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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So last week I had new T1S Toyos fitted to the rears on my 390.

The fronts are Toyo T1.

I've been 'running them in', and there's a couple of hundred miles on them now.

I was expecting the back end to feel a bit different (presumably grippier), as the last ones were well down,
but to be honest, things feel a bit wobbly and unstable back there, especially tram-lining, compared to before.

I've dropped the pressures to 22psi, and I think that's improved things slightly, but being as I'm an ignoramous as regards handling set-ups, perhaps someone with a bit of knowledge could suggest ways of improving matters. Previously handling was superb, and car very stable.
Should I swap the new tyres to the front, maybe, or
can I expect things to improve as the tyres 'bed in' ?

jmorgan

36,010 posts

313 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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Mine are pretty good. Feels like they belong etc but not quite up to the bridgestones.

wedg1e

27,034 posts

294 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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Sometimes tramlining is just down to the tread pattern, not much you can do but live with it.

Failing that I'll swap you them for some Colway remoulds that I found on the garage roof...

grahamw48

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9,944 posts

267 months

Sunday 24th July 2005
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Jolly generous Ian, but I think there are a few Pirelli
Cinturatos in the barn with a couple of mils left on them.
Will 165s go over 9" rims ?


I assume you're going to BBWF - how about a mini convoy down to Wooley Edge ?

wedg1e

27,034 posts

294 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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grahamw48 said:


I assume you're going to BBWF - how about a mini convoy down to Wooley Edge ?



Not sure what I'm doing yet, we may be heading down to Leicester on Friday night...

tallbloke

10,376 posts

312 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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They'll cure and stiffen a bit after some longer runs to warm them up fully and put them through the full heating cooling cycle a few times. New tyres often feel a bit 'wandery' compared to the old ones due to the big tread depth.

grahamw48

Original Poster:

9,944 posts

267 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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tallbloke said:
They'll cure and stiffen a bit after some longer runs to warm them up fully and put them through the full heating cooling cycle a few times. New tyres often feel a bit 'wandery' compared to the old ones due to the big tread depth.


I was hoping that would be the case - the 'wandery' part is a bit disconcerting, that's all.

Anyway, good long trip coming up on Saturday.

350zwelgje

1,820 posts

290 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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If you have adjustable shock absorbers at the back, I would propose to try a softer setting as too hard could provoke the same type of symptoms.

(It is just a sneaky way to persuade you to the 'find the best settings' by yourself on your TVR of course....)

Rob

>> Edited by 350zwelgje on Monday 25th July 19:22

rolex

3,119 posts

287 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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On the very first page of my TVR owners manual it states. It is essential you bed the tyres in for approx 1000miles.

19560

14,332 posts

287 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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rolex said:
On the very first page of my TVR owners manual it states. It is essential you bed the tyres in for approx 1000miles.

The general feeling is that Toyos take a minimum of 500 miles to bed in.

combine

3,114 posts

258 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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I've just had new front and back Toyos , haven't driven her - 390se- 500 miles yet on new rubber but she tramlined on previous bridgestones and fuldas and they they were hard as hell with little tread left.

GreenV8S

31,014 posts

313 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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As previously mentioned, you need to put new tyres through two or three heat cycles to complete the curing process. This is easy enough to do, but is not something that is going to happen spontaneously in normal use. Curing the tyre strengthens and toughens it, giving more grip and less wear.

New tyres with tall tread (and initially, nice soft rubber) generally like a slightly lower pressure than old worn tyres with shallow tread and harder rubber.

grahamw48

Original Poster:

9,944 posts

267 months

Monday 25th July 2005
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GreenV8S said:
As previously mentioned, you need to put new tyres through two or three heat cycles to complete the curing process. This is easy enough to do, but is not something that is going to happen spontaneously in normal use. Curing the tyre strengthens and toughens it, giving more grip and less wear.

New tyres with tall tread (and initially, nice soft rubber) generally like a slightly lower pressure than old worn tyres with shallow tread and harder rubber.


Well of course that's why I lowered to 22psi (lying through teeth).

Thanks chaps for the advice.
Hopefully my upcoming 4-500 mile round trip to BBWF
should help matters then.

I was beginning to think I was just a crap driver.