Ford Capri (2024 onwards!)
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Right then, not to curse it as it's not delivered yet but I managed to get a pretty good lease deal on a Capri but I see no topic started. I can understand as they haven't exactly been flying off the shelves.
I can see why the Capri especially gets very little love, but they are depreciating like a stone and it will be a safe first experience of the EV world for me at the right price.
Interested to hear from anyone else rolling around in an Capri or Explorer if we have anyone.
For those who don't know:
Let's be honest, it should have been called Mondeo but also that's barely dead. Damn call it the Orion or something for me, but I can understand from a pure marketing perspective them going for this schtick.
Ford are marketing numpties I agree, but it's also going to be tiring listening to so many people get their knickers twisted over the name as though it was either this or something far more interesting and they plumped for this. Sod all difference between a Capri and an Enyaq Coupe and I saved a bunch going down the Capri route!
If you put a gun to my head I'd have picked an Explorer as it feels a more genuine proposition compared to the Capri play acting as "sporty", but a deal's a deal!
I can see why the Capri especially gets very little love, but they are depreciating like a stone and it will be a safe first experience of the EV world for me at the right price.
Interested to hear from anyone else rolling around in an Capri or Explorer if we have anyone.
For those who don't know:
- Literally they've bought the VW MEB parts bin. The Explorer and Capri are basically the VW ID4 & ID5.
- In turn the VWs are spun unto the Skoda Elroq & Enyaq, Cupra spin it into the Tavascan, Audi to the Q4. All about economies of scale and so we get a disturbing amount of platform sharing. Ford just went and did a similar thing buying in the Renault platform to re-launch the Fiesta in a couple of years. This is what happens when a US business can't make EVs work on home turf I think.
- Funnily enough the Explorer and Capri are nearly identical to each other, just like their VAG mates. They share doors and bonnet and the Explorer is just styled a bit more like a 4x4, is a bit shorter and softer suspension etc.
- Ford decided to whack on a big moveable portrait display into the things and it's about one of the only thing that sets it apart from the other VAG stuff.
Let's be honest, it should have been called Mondeo but also that's barely dead. Damn call it the Orion or something for me, but I can understand from a pure marketing perspective them going for this schtick.
Ford are marketing numpties I agree, but it's also going to be tiring listening to so many people get their knickers twisted over the name as though it was either this or something far more interesting and they plumped for this. Sod all difference between a Capri and an Enyaq Coupe and I saved a bunch going down the Capri route!
If you put a gun to my head I'd have picked an Explorer as it feels a more genuine proposition compared to the Capri play acting as "sporty", but a deal's a deal!
I think Capri came from the British Mustang connection, sold alongside the Mach E.
Not had to recover one yet, have Explorers, but I dont think they have sold many.
Good luck with it.
Ford have a big tie up with VW, they build the Transporter and Amarok, vw build the small vans.
I got a drive in a brand new Ranger Hybrid yesterday, impressed with it, maybe more than the 3.0 twin turbo petrol Raptor, and that is good.
Not had to recover one yet, have Explorers, but I dont think they have sold many.
Good luck with it.
Ford have a big tie up with VW, they build the Transporter and Amarok, vw build the small vans.
I got a drive in a brand new Ranger Hybrid yesterday, impressed with it, maybe more than the 3.0 twin turbo petrol Raptor, and that is good.
Edited by Doesitdrive on Friday 27th March 20:43
Doesitdrive said:
I think Capri came from the British Mustang connection, sold alongside the Mach E.
Not had to recover one yet, have Explorers, but I dont think they have sold many.
Good luck with it.
Ford have a big tie up with VW, they build the Transporter and Amarok, vw build the small vans.
I got a drive in a brand new Ranger Hybrid yesterday, impressed with it, maybe more than the 3.0 twin turbo petrol Raptor, and that is good.
VW build the current Transit Connect / Caddy.Not had to recover one yet, have Explorers, but I dont think they have sold many.
Good luck with it.
Ford have a big tie up with VW, they build the Transporter and Amarok, vw build the small vans.
I got a drive in a brand new Ranger Hybrid yesterday, impressed with it, maybe more than the 3.0 twin turbo petrol Raptor, and that is good.
Edited by Doesitdrive on Friday 27th March 20:43
Ford do the smaller Transit Courier themselves, there is no VW equivalent of this one.
bugo said:
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I suspect that is part of the problem, they are both just generic meh looking crossover/SUVs. - Funnily enough the Explorer and Capri are nearly identical to each other...
If that's what you are after you'll get more bang for your buck from a Chinese brand - I can't remember when I last noticed an Explorer/Capri but BYDs/Jaecoos/etc seem to be clogging up the streets.
I saw some Skoda Coupe looking thing at the Tesla chargers this morning which I thought looked good, and the Cupra Born looks good, so just on looks I'd pick either of those over the Ford versions.
Truckosaurus said:
bugo said:
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I suspect that is part of the problem, they are both just generic meh looking crossover/SUVs. - Funnily enough the Explorer and Capri are nearly identical to each other...
If that's what you are after you'll get more bang for your buck from a Chinese brand - I can't remember when I last noticed an Explorer/Capri but BYDs/Jaecoos/etc seem to be clogging up the streets.
I saw some Skoda Coupe looking thing at the Tesla chargers this morning which I thought looked good, and the Cupra Born looks good, so just on looks I'd pick either of those over the Ford versions.
One showroom I deal with sold just under 230 last month, some were coming back in 2 days, to join the older waiting for warranty work.
They have several damaged ones, arrived that way or staff mishaps, they cannot get new parts for.
Parts supply is a big issue, so is recall without a fix, you get what you pay for.
Lots of naysayers on here, Ford have sold loads of Explorers and Capris, the Explorer was 5th in the list of EVs sold in the UK.
I've had an Explorer for 18 months now, done 22k miles in it at an average of 3.5mi/kWh, very pleased with it, much better than the previous Ataca that we had and costs us less for nearly 300 bhp.
Only issue is a duff 12V battery, but you can't really blame the car for that, it's just that when it drops voltage, it throws all sorts of errors, though that's not an EV exclusive issue.
In fact, I'll probably buy it out at the end of the lease.
Obligatory photo!
I've had an Explorer for 18 months now, done 22k miles in it at an average of 3.5mi/kWh, very pleased with it, much better than the previous Ataca that we had and costs us less for nearly 300 bhp.
Only issue is a duff 12V battery, but you can't really blame the car for that, it's just that when it drops voltage, it throws all sorts of errors, though that's not an EV exclusive issue.
In fact, I'll probably buy it out at the end of the lease.
Obligatory photo!
Mammasaid said:
Lots of naysayers on here, Ford have sold loads of Explorers and Capris, the Explorer was 5th in the list of EVs sold in the UK.
I've had an Explorer for 18 months now, done 22k miles in it at an average of 3.5mi/kWh, very pleased with it, much better than the previous Ataca that we had and costs us less for nearly 300 bhp.
Only issue is a duff 12V battery, but you can't really blame the car for that, it's just that when it drops voltage, it throws all sorts of errors, though that's not an EV exclusive issue.
In fact, I'll probably buy it out at the end of the lease.
Obligatory photo!
Recovered a lot less of these than the Chinese junk that came to the dealers recently. I've had an Explorer for 18 months now, done 22k miles in it at an average of 3.5mi/kWh, very pleased with it, much better than the previous Ataca that we had and costs us less for nearly 300 bhp.
Only issue is a duff 12V battery, but you can't really blame the car for that, it's just that when it drops voltage, it throws all sorts of errors, though that's not an EV exclusive issue.
In fact, I'll probably buy it out at the end of the lease.
Obligatory photo!
Same issues every time, charging points or 12v battery.
The charging socket is probably user related. Does seem to be an issue though, had lots of different cars need recovery for it
I’m tempted by a Capri as a replacement car for an ID 7.
However, my ID 7 has been in a dealership for a total of >130 days since I got it 18 months ago, and it is currently back in again.
It has been the most unreliable car I have ever known of, and all of the issues relate to the same parts in the Capri - hence it makes me hugely nervous.
However, my ID 7 has been in a dealership for a total of >130 days since I got it 18 months ago, and it is currently back in again.
It has been the most unreliable car I have ever known of, and all of the issues relate to the same parts in the Capri - hence it makes me hugely nervous.
Truckosaurus said:
I suspect that is part of the problem, they are both just generic meh looking crossover/SUVs.
If that's what you are after you'll get more bang for your buck from a Chinese brand - I can't remember when I last noticed an Explorer/Capri but BYDs/Jaecoos/etc seem to be clogging up the streets.
I saw some Skoda Coupe looking thing at the Tesla chargers this morning which I thought looked good, and the Cupra Born looks good, so just on looks I'd pick either of those over the Ford versions.
If that's what you are after you'll get more bang for your buck from a Chinese brand - I can't remember when I last noticed an Explorer/Capri but BYDs/Jaecoos/etc seem to be clogging up the streets.
I saw some Skoda Coupe looking thing at the Tesla chargers this morning which I thought looked good, and the Cupra Born looks good, so just on looks I'd pick either of those over the Ford versions.
Doesitdrive said:
You think you are getting bang for your buck until it goes wrong.
One showroom I deal with sold just under 230 last month, some were coming back in 2 days, to join the older waiting for warranty work.
They have several damaged ones, arrived that way or staff mishaps, they cannot get new parts for.
Parts supply is a big issue, so is recall without a fix, you get what you pay for.
Not sure "bang for buck" was really in my mind. To be honest there's lots of Chinese stuff that seems really poor quality and I certainly wouldn't want to actually own one as an out of warranty prospect. One showroom I deal with sold just under 230 last month, some were coming back in 2 days, to join the older waiting for warranty work.
They have several damaged ones, arrived that way or staff mishaps, they cannot get new parts for.
Parts supply is a big issue, so is recall without a fix, you get what you pay for.
Exactly what Doesitdrive said - the parts availability seems shocking. I wonder how many owners thought through ticking the upgraded hire car cover when insuring one.
The Capri is setting me back £286 a month with no deposit on a lease, and a smaller battery BYD Atto3 (the outgoing model) was around 10% cheaper but holds no appeal. I sort of prefer to keep at least some of the money in Europe and away from state ownership, as much as I might get grief for saying it.
It is CRAZY how overpriced many EVs are at their list price which absolutely nobody is paying. You can wipe over 15k off for finding a pre-registered Capri. Just nuts.
Got to judge all cars by the price you can actually acquire them for on the mode of ownership that you want to follow. Kia EV3s look much better value than an Explorer for people wanting to pay outright or grab a loan, however they do not need to shift them so the leasing market is just unworkable for them.
Mammasaid said:
Lots of naysayers on here, Ford have sold loads of Explorers and Capris, the Explorer was 5th in the list of EVs sold in the UK.
I've had an Explorer for 18 months now, done 22k miles in it at an average of 3.5mi/kWh, very pleased with it, much better than the previous Ataca that we had and costs us less for nearly 300 bhp.
Only issue is a duff 12V battery, but you can't really blame the car for that, it's just that when it drops voltage, it throws all sorts of errors, though that's not an EV exclusive issue.
In fact, I'll probably buy it out at the end of the lease.
Obligatory photo!
They seem to be struggling selling Capris a little. A bit of research showed a lot of pushing them for business leases/company cars which was interesting. I've had an Explorer for 18 months now, done 22k miles in it at an average of 3.5mi/kWh, very pleased with it, much better than the previous Ataca that we had and costs us less for nearly 300 bhp.
Only issue is a duff 12V battery, but you can't really blame the car for that, it's just that when it drops voltage, it throws all sorts of errors, though that's not an EV exclusive issue.
In fact, I'll probably buy it out at the end of the lease.
Obligatory photo!
I would have paid the same money for an Explorer as it just seems a more genuine prospect, and a better styled close to identical motor. I'm not surprised they are shifting at decent rates especially if in the real world they can undercut many of their MEB rivals. Certainly worth people looking at given the commonality of the same running gear across so many cars.
I couldn't get an Explorer close to the price of the Capri though, as admittedly it was a good limited stock lease deal. It'll be really interesting way to see what MEB is all about and if I love it I can buy a lightly used a greatly depreciated Explorer, whereas if I don't I can go back to ICE or over to Kia for example.
Deviation said:
I m tempted by a Capri as a replacement car for an ID 7.
However, my ID 7 has been in a dealership for a total of >130 days since I got it 18 months ago, and it is currently back in again.
It has been the most unreliable car I have ever known of, and all of the issues relate to the same parts in the Capri - hence it makes me hugely nervous.
Eek, yeah all the same running gear basically. Sounds like you were fairly unlucky, as I haven't seen huge reports of MEB stuff being unreliable? Has it been in for one thing which they just can't get a handle on or lots of niggles?However, my ID 7 has been in a dealership for a total of >130 days since I got it 18 months ago, and it is currently back in again.
It has been the most unreliable car I have ever known of, and all of the issues relate to the same parts in the Capri - hence it makes me hugely nervous.
bugo said:
Eek, yeah all the same running gear basically. Sounds like you were fairly unlucky, as I haven't seen huge reports of MEB stuff being unreliable? Has it been in for one thing which they just can't get a handle on or lots of niggles?
Many unrelated issues. Must be at north of £25,000 repair costs by now, including courtesy cars and labour. Endless parts need replacing, all on back order from Germany.
It seems intent on not staying alive.
Anecdotally, every time I’m in, I hear people on the phone with service staff with the same issues.
Most recently, the staff member told the person to keep driving until the part arrived - took 30 days for mine
And would have been infuriating as the car bonged every few mins while driving, with errors flashing up on the screen. Forums | Ford | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff