So does CAR mag has it in for TVR?
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Must say I was pretty pissed off to read some humorous (not) cartoon in the back pages of CAR last month titled "Bulldog Motors” a car company who recreate the full1970’s driving experience, the boss and his dog Buster makes cars with big engines, bonkers styling, and zero safety gizmos... get the picture? The Bulldog Violator is in a constant state of launch looking ever more bizarre at every scoop picture etc. etc. They repeat the cartoon this month so sadly it looks like it is to become a series – wouldn’t be a bad idea if it were funny but it’s not!
Oh and what do they say about the Tamora “Best TVR yet – but that’s not saying much” “a Blood Spitting Bulldog” bit of a give away that.
Of the Cerbera they say, “Bits fall off” which would they be?
Elsewhere they say of the Tuscan “the more stuff falls off the quicker it goes”
Makes me wonder, are they on some personal mission to take a snipe at TVR at every opportunity or are they just stereotypical crap journalists that simply trot out the same old rubbish and haven’t got a clue what they are one about?
My understanding is that the latest TVR was the quickest ever from show to public, and one of the best looking. TVR are about to take part in Le Mans for the first time in 30 years, the cars are being better built and things look pretty good.
Perhaps CAR should acquaint themselves with the facts and then try to be funny?
Rich…
Oh and what do they say about the Tamora “Best TVR yet – but that’s not saying much” “a Blood Spitting Bulldog” bit of a give away that.
Of the Cerbera they say, “Bits fall off” which would they be?
Elsewhere they say of the Tuscan “the more stuff falls off the quicker it goes”
Makes me wonder, are they on some personal mission to take a snipe at TVR at every opportunity or are they just stereotypical crap journalists that simply trot out the same old rubbish and haven’t got a clue what they are one about?
My understanding is that the latest TVR was the quickest ever from show to public, and one of the best looking. TVR are about to take part in Le Mans for the first time in 30 years, the cars are being better built and things look pretty good.
Perhaps CAR should acquaint themselves with the facts and then try to be funny?
Rich…
I had a scan of the EVO 200mph+ article yesterday. Read the bit about the Tuscan high speed run and Evo are fairly critical as well (they say the wind noise and vibrations were pretty bad at 160mph and they were fearing for their lives
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So maybe Evo have a bit of a downer on TVR as well?
Iteresting that they only managed 180mph in the Tuscan as well, all round not a very positive article for TVR.
) So maybe Evo have a bit of a downer on TVR as well?
Iteresting that they only managed 180mph in the Tuscan as well, all round not a very positive article for TVR.
I don't care what CAR say -- remember that they're just pandering to whatever prejeudices they imagine their target audience to have. Perhaps they're aiming at the people who won't look at a car unless it's airbagged to the hilt, brakes by itself and is styled the same as every other car on the road.
On another note, I was disappointed that EVO didn't test the RR Cerbera in their 200mph test. I'm sure it must be a challenger for the fastest of the TVRs along with the Tuscan S, yet it never gets a mention in any group tests these days.
edited to say I meant the fastest of the TVRs (aside from the Tusan R or whatever it's called this week)
>> Edited by whatever on Friday 11th April 13:59
On another note, I was disappointed that EVO didn't test the RR Cerbera in their 200mph test. I'm sure it must be a challenger for the fastest of the TVRs along with the Tuscan S, yet it never gets a mention in any group tests these days.
edited to say I meant the fastest of the TVRs (aside from the Tusan R or whatever it's called this week)
>> Edited by whatever on Friday 11th April 13:59
I have almost every CAR magazine since about 1987 - until the last couple of months when I have finally, finally thrown in the towel as it's never interesting enough to read anymore. Nice photos though. EVO is definitely the best now. CAR magazine will probably survive but I suspect its readership is being pinched by Top Gear and EVO.
MikeE said: I had a scan of the EVO 200mph+ article yesterday. Read the bit about the Tuscan high speed run and Evo are fairly critical as well (they say the wind noise and vibrations were pretty bad at 160mph and they were fearing for their lives
So maybe Evo have a bit of a downer on TVR as well?
Iteresting that they only managed 180mph in the Tuscan as well, all round not a very positive article for TVR.
I read that article and it sounds like they were being quite fair. Surely if it didn't vibrate they wouldn't have mentioned it. Top speed was a bit disappointing though, but hey, 180mph is rather quick anyway.
That RS4 powered Elise looked interesting.
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)Couldn't quite work out why they were trying to get to 200 in a Tuscan anyway. If you work out the speed in gears :
Speed @ 7000 rpm
Gear Normal Close Ratio
1 51 62
2 77 96
3 113 121
4 151 150
5 189 188
So they shouldn't have got anywhere near 200 (and they didn't).
Curious how they only managed 180 and the red light was on already (comes on at 7000 rpm normally).
Cheers,
Andy.
Editted to apologise for following the flow of conversation, but obviously off thread topic now.
Ah, CAR never tried to do this, did they!
>> Edited by andyvdg on Friday 11th April 15:28
Speed @ 7000 rpm
Gear Normal Close Ratio
1 51 62
2 77 96
3 113 121
4 151 150
5 189 188
So they shouldn't have got anywhere near 200 (and they didn't).
Curious how they only managed 180 and the red light was on already (comes on at 7000 rpm normally).
Cheers,
Andy.
Editted to apologise for following the flow of conversation, but obviously off thread topic now.
Ah, CAR never tried to do this, did they!
>> Edited by andyvdg on Friday 11th April 15:28
YOu are right, thing is I get a years subscrption free (sortof) on my Amex points, it's the only car mag they offer
andymadmak said: I Used to read CAR religiously. Don't bother much with it now. It used to be soooooo much better than it is today.
Vote with yer wallet mate. Andy 400se
R... It really does piss me off though when you consider what strides TVR are making to move forward and you get jerks like this slagging them off. Think I can fell a Dear Editor letter coming on, bet it won't win the PS2 as best letter though!
>> Edited by RichB on Friday 11th April 15:41
EVO is simply the best mag, nothing comes close to its photography and quality of writting. although they are very hastey about letting a tvr win group tests.its obvious they become charmed by them but always go for the standard result ie porsche winning. i can only remember one article in which a tvr won. It was the tamora against a boxster,morgan and jenson.
Maybe Car Magazine is just telling the truth. I've got to say that from a build quality perspective I've found the Tuscan to be more Blackpool Crock than Blackpool Rock. I'm in a dilema at present because I can't take the constant dealership visits and expense - but I'm gutted to the core at the prospect of getting rid.
2 sheds
I think you'll find that the history of this goes back a long way and certain journalists (for all sorts of motoring magazines) have written pieces (or written off cars) which have upset the then owner of TVR.
CAR has ignored TVR for long periods of time, (mainly through the 70s and 80s) though they got quite excited by the Tasmin and 350i and both of these made the front cover (1980 and 1983). Then after the early 390SE there was a bit of a 'falling out' (remember Fast Lane and Performance Car wrote loads of TVR stuff in this time) and TVR were pretty effectively ignored until CAR got thier hands on and wrote a rave test of the Griffith, CAR then became flavour of the month and 'suddenly' became the first magazine to get their hands on a Chimaera.
I suspect that something else has happened and currently EVO appear to be flavour of the month (get their hands on the T440R for Le Mans etc), Autocar are also up there (no cynical view would suggest that this is because Steve Sutcliffe raced Tuscans would they). (And remember Performance Car could get their hands on anything TVR when Mr. Barker was racing Tuscans)
I'll think you'll find too that EVO wern't necessarily flavour of the month in the early days (even had to borrow an owners Griff500 for issue No.2) - possibly something to do with a damaged Cerbera in the dying days of Performance Car (EVO was effectively formed out Performance car dying - same journalists).
I think personality (or clash of) probably has a lot to do with it.
davidy
I think you'll find that the history of this goes back a long way and certain journalists (for all sorts of motoring magazines) have written pieces (or written off cars) which have upset the then owner of TVR.
CAR has ignored TVR for long periods of time, (mainly through the 70s and 80s) though they got quite excited by the Tasmin and 350i and both of these made the front cover (1980 and 1983). Then after the early 390SE there was a bit of a 'falling out' (remember Fast Lane and Performance Car wrote loads of TVR stuff in this time) and TVR were pretty effectively ignored until CAR got thier hands on and wrote a rave test of the Griffith, CAR then became flavour of the month and 'suddenly' became the first magazine to get their hands on a Chimaera.
I suspect that something else has happened and currently EVO appear to be flavour of the month (get their hands on the T440R for Le Mans etc), Autocar are also up there (no cynical view would suggest that this is because Steve Sutcliffe raced Tuscans would they). (And remember Performance Car could get their hands on anything TVR when Mr. Barker was racing Tuscans)
I'll think you'll find too that EVO wern't necessarily flavour of the month in the early days (even had to borrow an owners Griff500 for issue No.2) - possibly something to do with a damaged Cerbera in the dying days of Performance Car (EVO was effectively formed out Performance car dying - same journalists).
I think personality (or clash of) probably has a lot to do with it.
davidy
tuscan't said: Maybe Car Magazine is just telling the truth. I've got to say that from a build quality perspective I've found the Tuscan to be more Blackpool Crock than Blackpool Rock. I'm in a dilema at present because I can't take the constant dealership visits and expense - but I'm gutted to the core at the prospect of getting rid.
Trade it in against a Tamora or T350 - the latter will turn even more heads than the Tuscan (ask flasher) and both are pretty solidly built, plus my Tamora is definitely faster, and handles better, than a standard Tuscan.
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