Veteran Car - another mystery car
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pubrunner

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Monday 23rd March
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I have a photo that was taken May 21st, 1955 - by The Rising Sun in Hazel Grove.

On the back of the photo is written - '1912 Iris Tourer 15'.

However, there's only one Iris car left and this isn't it.

This is the 'mystery' car :



This next image is of an Iris car; stylistically, the triangular shape of the top of the radiator is similar to that of the 'mystery' car :



So what make/model is the 'mystery' car ?

Turbobanana

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225 months

Monday 23rd March
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I believe it may be this very car, albeit in a different colour (see quote below):





A 1909 Belsize 14/16hp 'Roi des Belges' Tourer, sold by Bonhams in September 2015 for £33,606.67 inc. premium.

Bonhams said:
Registered as 'BT 493', this particular Belsize is, as far as known, the oldest four-cylinder model out of the few (approximately 12) cars that have survived. The Belsize was purchased new by a motor engineering company in Driffield, East Yorkshire and used for business purposes until they thought it was too old, at which time it was parked in a corner of their garage. It lay there until 1951 when Mr David Milnes of Kirkella, Humberside, heard about it and purchased the car (see press cuttings on file). He restored the upholstery and paintwork, although the car was in substantially good and original condition. During his ownership the Belsize was entered in various classic car events all over the country, amassing a large collection of awards, and on one occasion entered it in a Veteran and Vintage rally in Dieppe.
Edited by Turbobanana on Monday 23 March 13:38

pubrunner

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494 posts

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Monday 23rd March
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Turbobanana said:
I believe it may be this very car, albeit in a different colour (see quote below):





A 1909 Belsize 14/16hp 'Roi des Belges' Tourer, sold by Bonhams in September 2015 for £33,606.67 inc. premium.

Bonhams said:
Registered as 'BT 493', this particular Belsize is, as far as known, the oldest four-cylinder model out of the few (approximately 12) cars that have survived. The Belsize was purchased new by a motor engineering company in Driffield, East Yorkshire and used for business purposes until they thought it was too old, at which time it was parked in a corner of their garage. It lay there until 1951 when Mr David Milnes of Kirkella, Humberside, heard about it and purchased the car (see press cuttings on file). He restored the upholstery and paintwork, although the car was in substantially good and original condition. During his ownership the Belsize was entered in various classic car events all over the country, amassing a large collection of awards, and on one occasion entered it in a Veteran and Vintage rally in Dieppe.
Edited by Turbobanana on Monday 23 March 13:38
Brilliant - I reckon you're right - thank you so much for this information !!!

Turbobanana

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pubrunner said:
Turbobanana said:
I believe it may be this very car, albeit in a different colour (see quote below):





A 1909 Belsize 14/16hp 'Roi des Belges' Tourer, sold by Bonhams in September 2015 for £33,606.67 inc. premium.

Bonhams said:
Registered as 'BT 493', this particular Belsize is, as far as known, the oldest four-cylinder model out of the few (approximately 12) cars that have survived. The Belsize was purchased new by a motor engineering company in Driffield, East Yorkshire and used for business purposes until they thought it was too old, at which time it was parked in a corner of their garage. It lay there until 1951 when Mr David Milnes of Kirkella, Humberside, heard about it and purchased the car (see press cuttings on file). He restored the upholstery and paintwork, although the car was in substantially good and original condition. During his ownership the Belsize was entered in various classic car events all over the country, amassing a large collection of awards, and on one occasion entered it in a Veteran and Vintage rally in Dieppe.
Edited by Turbobanana on Monday 23 March 13:38
Brilliant - I reckon you're right - thank you so much for this information !!!
You're welcome.

Ironically, the same auction house sold the car behind it in the photo 4 years later:



1909 Renault AX 8hp Two-seater Registration no. CX 1673 Engine no. 5271

Sold for £29,900 inc. premium

Turbobanana

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Monday 23rd March
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Here's a thought: both cars in the photo date from 1909, meaning they were 46 years old when the photo was taken.

Do the same thing today:










pubrunner

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Turbobanana said:
You're welcome.

Ironically, the same auction house sold the car behind it in the photo 4 years later:



1909 Renault AX 8hp Two-seater Registration no. CX 1673 Engine no. 5271

Sold for £29,900 inc. premium
I've another pic that was taken on the same day - a 1913 Hispano Suiza - worth mega money nowadays.



It's this very (stunning) car - but would you dare use it, as it was in 1955 ? :

https://www.flickr.com/photos/93207294@N04/5015829...

By the way, thank you for providing a very interesting series of replies.