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I have a few historic registered cars , 3 from the late sixties one from 1973 and three from 1983/4
I just checked in on the website to make sure that they are exempt and the first three there is no charge, the 1973 MGMidget and the last three all say that there is a charge in spite of the fact that all the cars are registered historic and are over 40 years old. Have they changed the rules?
I just checked in on the website to make sure that they are exempt and the first three there is no charge, the 1973 MGMidget and the last three all say that there is a charge in spite of the fact that all the cars are registered historic and are over 40 years old. Have they changed the rules?
It doesn’t appear so. The website still says exemptions for:
Historic vehicles
Two categories of historic vehicles are exempt from ULEZ:
All vehicles built before 1 January 1973
Vehicles over 40 years old that have been successfully registered with the DVLA for a historic vehicle tax class
Historic vehicles
Two categories of historic vehicles are exempt from ULEZ:
All vehicles built before 1 January 1973
Vehicles over 40 years old that have been successfully registered with the DVLA for a historic vehicle tax class
Vanin said:
I have a few historic registered cars , 3 from the late sixties one from 1973 and three from 1983/4
I just checked in on the website to make sure that they are exempt and the first three there is no charge, the 1973 MGMidget and the last three all say that there is a charge in spite of the fact that all the cars are registered historic and are over 40 years old. Have they changed the rules?
When were they registered historic? I just checked in on the website to make sure that they are exempt and the first three there is no charge, the 1973 MGMidget and the last three all say that there is a charge in spite of the fact that all the cars are registered historic and are over 40 years old. Have they changed the rules?
TFL try not to pay the DVLA to update records, if you swap a plate from a complient car, an old personal, to a non compliant car, it will show compliant until they update, which can be sometime.
If you get a fine and it is registered historic on that date they have no grounds to refuse an appeal.
I appreciate that there is a difference between ULEZ and the congestion zone but I only need to know about ULEZ
The first is the answer for all my. 1967 cars the second for my 1974 MG Midget all cars owned by me for more than 30 years
First
Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ)
This vehicle meets the ULEZ emissions standards
You do not need to pay a daily ULEZ charge to drive in the zone, and are helping to improve air quality across London.
However, if you see the Congestion Charge or the Blackwall and Silvertown tunnels charge displayed below, you will need to pay those charges if you drive in central London or through either tunnel.
second
Your vehicle
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White MG MIDGET
Country of registration
United Kingdom
Change vehicle
Congestion Charges changes
The daily Congestion Charge has increased.
Most electric vehicles registered on Auto Pay will get a Cleaner Vehicle Discount and pay less.
Find out more about Congestion Charge changes
Congestion Charge
£18.00 to £21.00 a day
Where it operates:
Central London only - check a postcode or location
Charging times:
07:00-18:00 Mon-Fri
12:00-18:00 Sat-Sun and bank holidays
No charge between Christmas Day and New Year's Day bank holiday (inclusive)
Show charge amounts
The first is the answer for all my. 1967 cars the second for my 1974 MG Midget all cars owned by me for more than 30 years
First
Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ)
This vehicle meets the ULEZ emissions standards
You do not need to pay a daily ULEZ charge to drive in the zone, and are helping to improve air quality across London.
However, if you see the Congestion Charge or the Blackwall and Silvertown tunnels charge displayed below, you will need to pay those charges if you drive in central London or through either tunnel.
second
Your vehicle
'+++++++M
White MG MIDGET
Country of registration
United Kingdom
Change vehicle
Congestion Charges changes
The daily Congestion Charge has increased.
Most electric vehicles registered on Auto Pay will get a Cleaner Vehicle Discount and pay less.
Find out more about Congestion Charge changes
Congestion Charge
£18.00 to £21.00 a day
Where it operates:
Central London only - check a postcode or location
Charging times:
07:00-18:00 Mon-Fri
12:00-18:00 Sat-Sun and bank holidays
No charge between Christmas Day and New Year's Day bank holiday (inclusive)
Show charge amounts
Vanin said:
I have a few historic registered cars , 3 from the late sixties one from 1973 and three from 1983/4
I just checked in on the website to make sure that they are exempt and the first three there is no charge, the 1973 MGMidget and the last three all say that there is a charge in spite of the fact that all the cars are registered historic and are over 40 years old. Have they changed the rules?
Have you actually contacted the ULEZ brigade and queried their obvious data inaccuracy? Be prepared they will likely ask to see a copy of your V5C which show the class as "Historic" in which case they will have to update their system.I just checked in on the website to make sure that they are exempt and the first three there is no charge, the 1973 MGMidget and the last three all say that there is a charge in spite of the fact that all the cars are registered historic and are over 40 years old. Have they changed the rules?
Be aware they move glacially slow there for admin against their aggressive ££ collection enforcement!
Vanin said:
I have a few historic registered cars , 3 from the late sixties one from 1973 and three from 1983/4
I just checked in on the website to make sure that they are exempt and the first three there is no charge, the 1973 MGMidget and the last three all say that there is a charge in spite of the fact that all the cars are registered historic and are over 40 years old. Have they changed the rules?
If they're registered historic they're exempt from ULEZ - however it could well be that the ULEZ database is out of step with the DVLA. I had a 1983 T25 which I re-registered in April 2024 but it took a while for that info to feed through. I already had Autopay enabled so I could track the ULEZ fees and I called them the first time I was incorrectly charged and they put a temporary status on my account which was valid for 6 months on the assumption the info would be updated in due course - it sounds as though you may need them to dig a little deeper. I just checked in on the website to make sure that they are exempt and the first three there is no charge, the 1973 MGMidget and the last three all say that there is a charge in spite of the fact that all the cars are registered historic and are over 40 years old. Have they changed the rules?
When my Escort went onto historic tax class, it didn't update on TfL's database. After waiting for some weeks to see if it would happen automatically, I did an application with TfL to have it made exempt. This was a bit of a procedure and included taking photos of the inside and outside, plus the V5. In the end they wrote back and changed it on their system. They don't make it obvious how to apply for historic vehicles; as far as I could see, you have to go through the option intended for 'showmen's vehicles'.
Oxford has a tiny "zero emission zone" where historic vehicles are exempt from the charge. When I checked my car on their website, it didn't recognise it as exempt. I had to email and attach a V5 scan, and I received an acknowledgement very quickly saying it was now noted on their database. I entered the details again a few months later to check, and again it didn't recognise it. So, another email with V5 and another acknowledgment, with no reference to the previous "update."
It pays to check.
It pays to check.
wjs1968 said:
If they're registered historic they're exempt from ULEZ - however it could well be that the ULEZ database is out of step with the DVLA. I had a 1983 T25 which I re-registered in April 2024 but it took a while for that info to feed through. I already had Autopay enabled so I could track the ULEZ fees and I called them the first time I was incorrectly charged and they put a temporary status on my account which was valid for 6 months on the assumption the info would be updated in due course - it sounds as though you may need them to dig a little deeper.
The Midget has been Historic on my V5 since 2013, so can they really be 12 years behind? I have always found the DVLA site to be fast and reliable, wish I could say the same for other government sites!The tool on the TFL site is only an indicator it's not and works off of a simple database that cover 99.99% of cars, with 40+ year classic and other 'odd' exceptions making up the 0.01%.
For the 0.01% you just need to read the full set of regulations on the same site, the relevant section here being"
"Two categories of historic vehicles are exempt from ULEZ:
1. All vehicles built before 1 January 1973
2. Vehicles over 40 years old that have been successfully registered with the DVLA for a historic vehicle tax class
If your vehicle meets the above criteria but is registered outside the UK, it is also exempt, but you will need to register it with us before travelling in the zone.".
So if your car was built before 01/01/1973 it's exept no matter what.
And if your vehicle was built between 01/01/1973 and '86 AND registered in the historical vehicle tax class it's also exempt.
If your car matches either of those it doesn't matter what the quick check tool says and you DON'T need to register your car with TfL, it's exempt so just drive it.
The only classics NOT exempt are:
- Post '86 cars (less than 40 years old)
- '73 to '86 cars that haven't been registered in the historic tax class.
I've been driving classics inside the ULEZ for many years now, never done anything special and never had any issues.
For the 0.01% you just need to read the full set of regulations on the same site, the relevant section here being"
"Two categories of historic vehicles are exempt from ULEZ:
1. All vehicles built before 1 January 1973
2. Vehicles over 40 years old that have been successfully registered with the DVLA for a historic vehicle tax class
If your vehicle meets the above criteria but is registered outside the UK, it is also exempt, but you will need to register it with us before travelling in the zone.".
So if your car was built before 01/01/1973 it's exept no matter what.
And if your vehicle was built between 01/01/1973 and '86 AND registered in the historical vehicle tax class it's also exempt.
If your car matches either of those it doesn't matter what the quick check tool says and you DON'T need to register your car with TfL, it's exempt so just drive it.
The only classics NOT exempt are:
- Post '86 cars (less than 40 years old)
- '73 to '86 cars that haven't been registered in the historic tax class.
I've been driving classics inside the ULEZ for many years now, never done anything special and never had any issues.
//j17 said:
The tool on the TFL site is only an indicator it's not and works off of a simple database that cover 99.99% of cars, with 40+ year classic and other 'odd' exceptions making up the 0.01%.
For the 0.01% you just need to read the full set of regulations on the same site, the relevant section here being"
"Two categories of historic vehicles are exempt from ULEZ:
1. All vehicles built before 1 January 1973
2. Vehicles over 40 years old that have been successfully registered with the DVLA for a historic vehicle tax class
If your vehicle meets the above criteria but is registered outside the UK, it is also exempt, but you will need to register it with us before travelling in the zone.".
So if your car was built before 01/01/1973 it's exept no matter what.
And if your vehicle was built between 01/01/1973 and '86 AND registered in the historical vehicle tax class it's also exempt.
If your car matches either of those it doesn't matter what the quick check tool says and you DON'T need to register your car with TfL, it's exempt so just drive it.
The only classics NOT exempt are:
- Post '86 cars (less than 40 years old)
- '73 to '86 cars that haven't been registered in the historic tax class.
I've been driving classics inside the ULEZ for many years now, never done anything special and never had any issues.
Thanks for that advice No. 17 which I will follow and report back if I have any difficultiesFor the 0.01% you just need to read the full set of regulations on the same site, the relevant section here being"
"Two categories of historic vehicles are exempt from ULEZ:
1. All vehicles built before 1 January 1973
2. Vehicles over 40 years old that have been successfully registered with the DVLA for a historic vehicle tax class
If your vehicle meets the above criteria but is registered outside the UK, it is also exempt, but you will need to register it with us before travelling in the zone.".
So if your car was built before 01/01/1973 it's exept no matter what.
And if your vehicle was built between 01/01/1973 and '86 AND registered in the historical vehicle tax class it's also exempt.
If your car matches either of those it doesn't matter what the quick check tool says and you DON'T need to register your car with TfL, it's exempt so just drive it.
The only classics NOT exempt are:
- Post '86 cars (less than 40 years old)
- '73 to '86 cars that haven't been registered in the historic tax class.
I've been driving classics inside the ULEZ for many years now, never done anything special and never had any issues.
Vanin, the other thing that is worthy of consideration is getting a Heritage Certificate: https://www.britishmotormuseum.co.uk/archive/herit...
That was helpful with them, and DVLA a little while back to force their hands. Also nice to have in hand should you ever sell one of your pride and joys!
That was helpful with them, and DVLA a little while back to force their hands. Also nice to have in hand should you ever sell one of your pride and joys!
Doesitdrive said:
86 cars are not eligible until 2027, if they don't move the goalposts.
And I think it cannot be done until April.
I don't think modified cars are eligible either.
Yea I thought there was something funky about exactly when the year 'changed' - but my newest car was built/registered in '74 so haven't needed to know it and was too lazy to look it up ^_^And I think it cannot be done until April.
I don't think modified cars are eligible either.
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