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gh0st

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281 months

Thursday 2nd December 2004
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Just read about this on the BBC Newspage - Courts have gone into admin. and people that have paid huge deposits and stuff will lose the money and the goods!!!

Is this right?! How can this happen? Apparently even the ones that paid on credit card are going to lose out!!!!

Surely courts muust have KNOWN they were going into administration yet they still kept the deals up and the offers going!

gh0st

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4,693 posts

281 months

Thursday 2nd December 2004
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just dave said:

gh0st said:
Just read about this on the BBC Newspage - Courts have gone into admin. and people that have paid huge deposits and stuff will lose the money and the goods!!!

Is this right?! How can this happen? Apparently even the ones that paid on credit card are going to lose out!!!!

Surely courts muust have KNOWN they were going into administration yet they still kept the deals up and the offers going!



Linky, please.

BTW, up late 'coz you can't lay down? Feeling well/better?

Best,

Dave


No Im fine now Up late coz im off work and I can

Links (sorry forgot to post them last night. I'm a poo pants )

Courts goes into administration -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4052439.stm

And the related "Have Your Say"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4059717.stm

gh0st

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4,693 posts

281 months

Thursday 2nd December 2004
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Further to this, reading the "have your say" there are a lot of people saying how they paid their deposit of £x,xxx pounds and how they are totally ruined financially because they didnt get there goods or money back



Ok so you dont have a new sofa and cannot afford to get another one, but how does that leave one financially screwed?! Surely it just leaves you with no new sofa and no money to buy another one...

Still anyway feel very sorry for anyone who lost out. Robbing fks at courts should be ashamed at taking these peoples money...

Eric Mc

124,809 posts

288 months

Thursday 2nd December 2004
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The issue of taking customers' money (or goods from suppliers) when your business is a bit shaky is actually a very difficult one - and not clearcut at all. Although there are many cowboy operations out there which are not more than thieves and charlatans, most businesses that go bust do so for purely economic reasons.

When a company is in trouble it often faces a real dilemma. Does it try and trade its way out of trouble - and for Courts, that means continuing to take customer deposits as normal, or does it stop dead as soon as trouble looms on the horizon? No matter what course of action is taken, some customers and suppliers will end up holding the fuzzy end of the lollipop. As it is, trying to trade out of trouble can sometimes be the best option.

Being under administration does not automatically mean the all customers have actually lost their deposits. It all depends whether the Administrators can relaunch the business as a going concern or not. Obviously, if Courts ends up being liquidated/wound up, then the lowest ranking creditors (including deposit holders) will definitely be bottom of the pecking order.

mrmaggit

10,146 posts

271 months

Thursday 2nd December 2004
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That'll be me, then.

vixpy1

42,697 posts

287 months

Thursday 2nd December 2004
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My thread here..www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?f=23&h=0&t=139474

could have been a little pointer..

mrmaggit

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271 months

Thursday 2nd December 2004
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vixpy1 said:
My thread here..www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?f=23&h=0&t=139474

could have been a little pointer..


Three weeks too late, I'm afraid.

minornut

1,049 posts

260 months

Thursday 2nd December 2004
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A colleague's sister has paid in full for a sofa but it hadn't been delivered when this happened. Has their money disappeared up the proverbial creek?

mcflurry

9,184 posts

276 months

Thursday 2nd December 2004
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If you paid over £50/100 by credit card then Visa/ MC will pay back the customer and argue the case with the liquidator.

Mr E

22,718 posts

282 months

Thursday 2nd December 2004
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Indeed. If it's on a CCard, simply tell them that you didn't receive the goods therefore you dispute the charge.

They will then go and fight it out with the company concerned.

dds1

1,407 posts

281 months

Thursday 2nd December 2004
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bruceforsyth said:
I sincerely hope to see you all in courtsss


to

iratepunter said:
i'll ffffing well see you in court

mr_tony

6,347 posts

292 months

Thursday 2nd December 2004
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mcflurry said:
If you paid over £50/100 by credit card then Visa/ MC will pay back the customer and argue the case with the liquidator.


very true - paying by card should protect you as a consumer in nearly all cases like this.


gh0st

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Thursday 2nd December 2004
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Gazboy said:

gh0st said:
Further to this, reading the "have your say" there are a lot of people saying how they paid their deposit of £x,xxx pounds and how they are totally ruined financially because they didnt get there goods or money back



Ok so you dont have a new sofa and cannot afford to get another one, but how does that leave one financially screwed?! Surely it just leaves you with no new sofa and no money to buy another one...

Still anyway feel very sorry for anyone who lost out. Robbing fks at courts should be ashamed at taking these peoples money...



Some of them may have spent quite a bit on a sofa/ 3 piece jobbie, which can run into thousands- could you afford to flush 2k down the drain and not notice? I know I couldn't. It's a lot of money for thin air.


YEah, totally agree, but its not like they spent their food money on it. They lost money, they lost a sofa. its expensive and its a total and utter pain in the ar£e, and unimaginable irritation. But some of the people are making out "now that they havent got their sofa they cant afford to eat or sleep" etc...??!

birdbrain

1,564 posts

262 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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I paid in full for a sofa from Courts 2 weeks before they went into admin. I have to say that I thought I'd lost my money and was really upset, but then I got invited down to the showroom and told to pick out whatever I wanted off the shop floor to the value of my order with a discount as well. So I ended up getting a £2K sofa for £600 which was better than the one I originally ordered!

Mr E

22,718 posts

282 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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anonymous said:
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Christ, that is terrible news. Sad bit is, he was probably the type that did everything he could to acoid this situation.

The sort of director that would skim the pension fund in the first place probably wouldn't have cared.

Eric Mc

124,809 posts

288 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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No one was so charitable to Robert Maxwell.

simpo two

91,367 posts

288 months

Friday 11th February 2005
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Seems that all these big furniture places go pop every few years. World of Leather/Leather City whatever - not only that, they buy every frigging TV advertising slot for the whole of January Mind you, I think Steradent ran them pretty close this year..

Eric Mc

124,809 posts

288 months

Saturday 12th February 2005
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Allders soon to follow it seems.

mrmaggit

10,146 posts

271 months

Saturday 12th February 2005
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birdbrain said:
I paid in full for a sofa from Courts 2 weeks before they went into admin. I have to say that I thought I'd lost my money and was really upset, but then I got invited down to the showroom and told to pick out whatever I wanted off the shop floor to the value of my order with a discount as well. So I ended up getting a £2K sofa for £600 which was better than the one I originally ordered!


We ended up with a nice rug and a wardrobe. They wouldn't let us take the bed that we'd ordered (even though it was still in the showroom), so we bought one from a local bed store, and we're very happy with it.