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Well, cant see any other threads on this subject.... but sure to get 'REPOST' thrown at me....
The disqualification of Corpus Christi college as winners over an illeligble player....
Just listened to the complete tools from Manachester Uni on tele - If they are the future of our country we're all well feked.
On the subject of disqualifying the winners, well, fine, they (perhaps inadvertantly) broke the rules of the competition, being as one of them left uni half way through the comp. But I was totally sickened by various hloier than though BBC comentators saying they had to be thrown out for breaking the rules. An organisation that has repeatedly flouted the rules, the law, defrauded the public knowingly over the last god knows how many years getting uppity about a reletivly minor rule infraction. The guy that had left uni hardly won it single handedly after all (that was Trimble).....
Most of the teams on UC over the years have been made up of layabout waster 'students'. Middle age men with beards pretending to be at Uni because they cant face the real world and work for a living. That to me is the rediculous angle on this rule break. They should have instigated strict age criteria so that the students are easily defined as real students not people that are just collecting irrelevant letters after their name becasue they cant be bothered to work for a living and have someone else pay their way through life.
The disqualification of Corpus Christi college as winners over an illeligble player....
Just listened to the complete tools from Manachester Uni on tele - If they are the future of our country we're all well feked.
On the subject of disqualifying the winners, well, fine, they (perhaps inadvertantly) broke the rules of the competition, being as one of them left uni half way through the comp. But I was totally sickened by various hloier than though BBC comentators saying they had to be thrown out for breaking the rules. An organisation that has repeatedly flouted the rules, the law, defrauded the public knowingly over the last god knows how many years getting uppity about a reletivly minor rule infraction. The guy that had left uni hardly won it single handedly after all (that was Trimble).....
Most of the teams on UC over the years have been made up of layabout waster 'students'. Middle age men with beards pretending to be at Uni because they cant face the real world and work for a living. That to me is the rediculous angle on this rule break. They should have instigated strict age criteria so that the students are easily defined as real students not people that are just collecting irrelevant letters after their name becasue they cant be bothered to work for a living and have someone else pay their way through life.
Fixed.Tony*T3 said:
Just listened to the complete tools from Manachester Uni on tele - If they are the future of our country we're all well feked.
Most of the teams on UC over the years have been made up of layabout waster 'students'. Middle age men with beards pretending to be at Uni because they cant face the real world and work for a living. That to me is the rediculous angle on this rule break. They should have instigated strict age criteria so that the students are easily defined as real students not people that are just collecting irrelevant letters after their name becasue they cant be bothered to work for a living and have someone else pay their way through life.
Sorry, but that is absolute crap.Most of the teams on UC over the years have been made up of layabout waster 'students'. Middle age men with beards pretending to be at Uni because they cant face the real world and work for a living. That to me is the rediculous angle on this rule break. They should have instigated strict age criteria so that the students are easily defined as real students not people that are just collecting irrelevant letters after their name becasue they cant be bothered to work for a living and have someone else pay their way through life.
How do you think the vast majority of human technological/cultural and scientific development comes about?
Who do you think is responsible for it?
The one thing we should be investing in is developing knowledge. That is the essential pre-requisite for human development. That is what these people do.
johnfm said:
What's wrong with people learning things?
Maybe you'd be able to spell 'university' had you grown a beard and got some 'useless letters' after your name.
Philistine.
I'm not fromn Philistania..... Maybe you'd be able to spell 'university' had you grown a beard and got some 'useless letters' after your name.
Philistine.
My point was he was a genuine student, not someone who gets on UC because they've spent 15+ years as a 'mature student' when in reality many of those 'mature students' dont want to commit to becoming a tax payer in our society. Whats the point of coming out of Uni at the age of 45 with no experience? They're just there to drink the 'real ale' and grow beards (that includes the female ones too!!!)
Edited by Tony*T3 on Tuesday 3rd March 09:31
Tony*T3 said:
johnfm said:
What's wrong with people learning things?
Maybe you'd be able to spell 'university' had you grown a beard and got some 'useless letters' after your name.
Philistine.
I'm not fromn Philistania..... Maybe you'd be able to spell 'university' had you grown a beard and got some 'useless letters' after your name.
Philistine.
My point was he was a genuine student, not someone who gets on UC because they've spent 15+ years as a 'mature student' when in reality many of those 'mature students' dont want to commit to becoming a tax payer in our society. Whats the point of coming out of Uni at the age of 45 with no experience? They're just there to drink the 'real ale' and grow beards (that invludes the female ones too!!!)
So, go away and find out a bit more about how the academic world actually works before criticising it.
johnfm said:
What's wrong with people learning things?
Maybe you'd be able to spell 'university' had you grown a beard and got some 'useless letters' after your name.
Philistine.
Nothing at all. The 'problem' (if it can be taken that far) is with the number of mature students who are never going to be employable, and in all honesty who just don't want to work.Maybe you'd be able to spell 'university' had you grown a beard and got some 'useless letters' after your name.
Philistine.
Over the 5 years I spent there it was obvious that there were quite a few in their late thirties to fifties (in a couple of cases) who had no idea that there was a real world out there, or if they did, didn't want to be a part of it. They had spent almost all of their lives studying something or other with the odd quick dip into reality (well I say reality, I mean a year or two of JSA between courses or failed attempts at teaching).
I know it can happen very easily, for me it was one hell of a shock when I hit the real world after the kindergarten and I'm sure it took me 6 months to get adjusted to work, and I'd worked bloody hard whilst studying.
Tony*T3 said:
johnfm said:
What's wrong with people learning things?
Maybe you'd be able to spell 'university' had you grown a beard and got some 'useless letters' after your name.
Philistine.
I'm not fromn Philistania..... Maybe you'd be able to spell 'university' had you grown a beard and got some 'useless letters' after your name.
Philistine.
My point was he was a genuine student, not someone who gets on UC because they've spent 15+ years as a 'mature student' when in reality many of those 'mature students' dont want to commit to becoming a tax payer in our society. Whats the point of coming out of Uni at the age of 45 with no experience? They're just there to drink the 'real ale' and grow beards (that includes the female ones too!!!)
Edited by Tony*T3 on Tuesday 3rd March 09:31
I think we benefit from bearded geeks figuring out why carrots are orange and if there are any useful applications of carotene. I don't think we benefit from the labour government setting targets which promote pointless university degree courses which should not really exist - like the aforementioned 'media studies'.
anonymous said:
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Eh?If you mean that War is a great evolutionary and developmental tool then you'd be right. But then you completely omit the fact that the scientists who create the technology come from and through academia. Look at where the inhabitants of Bletchley Park were recruited from for instance. Or the Manhattan Project, or virtually any significant scientific or technological endeavour.
I think you are falling into the trap of someone who has had no contact with academia by thinking that all such people do is worthless. You truly couldn't be more mistaken. Academia is the vanguard of new ideas and new technologies. Without it our society would be going nowhere.
Just because you don't understand or know about much of what is done does not mean it has no value. And the tiresome old adage of "Those who can, do, and those who can't, teach" is also a total fallacy probably propogated by someone who got turned away from a University because they weren't smart enough.
johnfm said:
I think we benefit from bearded geeks figuring out why carrots are orange and if there are any useful applications of carotene. I don't think we benefit from the labour government setting targets which promote pointless university degree courses which should not really exist - like the aforementioned 'media studies'.
Actually, good media studies courses are excellent and have particularly high employment rates. In our 24hr information culture, such knowledge and expertise is extremely valuable.Don't jump on the bandwagon by slating them.
(There are some poor Media degrees around - but then that is the same for any subject)
Eric Mc said:
Society needs academics. They aren't all "heads in the clouds" abstrract thinkers either. And they aren't all funded by taxpayers.
So, go away and find out a bit more about how the academic world actually works before criticising it.
Err, it's a wider issue than looking at 'academics.'So, go away and find out a bit more about how the academic world actually works before criticising it.
What you say would be correct when looking at, perhaps, this bloke, or when it is those with a particular intellect who stay on.
These days there are mature students who have 2 or 3 degrees in subjects they have no possibility of advancing. People who you live in fear of the day they are set lose to lead a group in a seminar, let alone a lecture.
This is not about the rare bod who can't pour a jug of milk but can explain quantum physics in minute detail without reference sources, this is about the detritus who ride their coat tails. You would be amazed at just how thick someone can be and still get on a course.
anonymous said:
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I worked in network televison for over 10 years. Media Studies graduates were always the worst possible candiates for jobs. They are generally not sharp enough and the courses seemed too broad - so they didn't really know enough about any aspect of the industry. Though it is changing beyond recognition, media production was always an industry where starting at the bottom as a runner was always the best place to start.Rude-boy said:
This is not about the rare bod who can't pour a jug of milk but can explain quantum physics in minute detail without reference sources, this is about the detritus who ride their coat tails. You would be amazed at just how thick someone can be and still get on a course.
Something of a bizarre argument there - you've clearly stated that these people are thick and incompetent, so where would you like them to have a job? Somewhere they can actually do some damage or somewhere tucked away safely doing not very much (perhaps in academia)? Most of these people end up employed somewhere in the public sector anyway, so it's not a question of taxpayers' money or not.Edited by ewenm on Tuesday 3rd March 10:10
Rude-boy said:
Eric Mc said:
Society needs academics. They aren't all "heads in the clouds" abstrract thinkers either. And they aren't all funded by taxpayers.
So, go away and find out a bit more about how the academic world actually works before criticising it.
Err, it's a wider issue than looking at 'academics.'So, go away and find out a bit more about how the academic world actually works before criticising it.
What you say would be correct when looking at, perhaps, this bloke, or when it is those with a particular intellect who stay on.
These days there are mature students who have 2 or 3 degrees in subjects they have no possibility of advancing. People who you live in fear of the day they are set lose to lead a group in a seminar, let alone a lecture.
This is not about the rare bod who can't pour a jug of milk but can explain quantum physics in minute detail without reference sources, this is about the detritus who ride their coat tails. You would be amazed at just how thick someone can be and still get on a course.
The lad that got booted off was a student, but as has been said, failed to get funding to stay on and had to join the real world. Was it worth disqualifying the team because of this? Perhaps they should have replaced him with someone studying something irrelevant.
Tony*T3 said:
johnfm said:
What's wrong with people learning things?
Maybe you'd be able to spell 'university' had you grown a beard and got some 'useless letters' after your name.
Philistine.
I'm not fromn Philistania..... Maybe you'd be able to spell 'university' had you grown a beard and got some 'useless letters' after your name.
Philistine.
My point was he was a genuine student, not someone who gets on UC because they've spent 15+ years as a 'mature student' when in reality many of those 'mature students' dont want to commit to becoming a tax payer in our society. Whats the point of coming out of Uni at the age of 45 with no experience? They're just there to drink the 'real ale' and grow beards (that includes the female ones too!!!)
Edited by Tony*T3 on Tuesday 3rd March 09:31
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