Who should pay the bill for stapling the fatties?

[G_T]

Further to my comments about heavy people driving light cars which then descended into me verbally abusing fatties I felt I was somewhat misunderstood. That was not a rant. This is a rant.

Re: The NHS pays for gastric bands. Some excuses made on radio 2 in the last hour;

“Eating can be as big a habit as smoking, drinking or drugs”
“I’ll cost the NHS more if I don’t have the operation”
“I have tried everything”
“It’s no worse than be anorexia”
“I’m 5’ 2” I’m so fat my legs can’t support my bodyweight so I can’t do exercise”- (Think snowman)
“It’s a disease”

What a load of bks you contemptuous fat sts. Why the bks should I pay for you to get your stomach sodding stapled just because you haven’t worked out that your ahole is smaller than your mouth? Quite frankly I’m impressed you managed to pry yourself away from gorging yourself for long enough to call Radio 2, although I suspect you required some form intravenous form of fried snack, to complete the procedure.

Oh “It’s a disease” is it? I work in clinical research. I could show you some genuine fking diseases, diseases that could be cured if you fat fking wkers weren’t wasting everybody’s time and resources. The amount of patients that are have cancer/heart disease as a direct result of being a fat st is fking baffling. That’s when it becomes a bloody disease, a disease that squeezes the already over-stretched resources of a dying health service, like many a chocolate based treat between your chubby sausage-like fingers.

As far as I’m concerned, a “disease”, is something that you have no control of. If you have a genuine mental illness that causes diet problems (like anorexia) you should seek professional help and listen to them. Don’t turn up for six fking months, bullst the doctors and push for the medication or the gastric band that in turn the taxpayers then pay for.

“I have a leg/knee/pre-existing medical condition that’s why I’m obese”, so do st loads of disabled people. There are literally hundreds of forms of exercise that you can do with disabilities (think Paralympics). Also if you have had a disease such as Lymphatic cancer which can cause weight problems indefinitely then perhaps you should modify your diet accordingly? It’s not fking rocket science is it?

“I have tried everything”, really? Is that fking right is it? Have you tried not fking eating as much and exercising regularly? I sincerely doubt it. It doesn’t take a degree in biology to realise it’s completely fking impossible not to lose weight if you do. You’re not a fking perpetual motion machine powered by Mars bars. You’re just a lazy fat st. Now get off your arse and do a few laps.

I’m not super fit. I have a beer gut and I smoke cigars. I also acknowledge that people can have 30+ BMI and not be “typically obese”. I also appreciate that some people are “happy the way they are albeit slightly overweight”. I don’t take issue with these people. You are not the problem. It’s these bin bags full of yoghurt who blame somebody else for their problems and we, the taxpayer, foot the bill.

[camgear]

Aren't they taxpayers too then? Do you ride a motorbike or drive a fast car? How much would it cost the NHS if you came off/crashed during a hoon?

Edited by camgear on Thursday 26th February 14:12

[DamoLLb]

camgear said:

Aren't they taxpayers too then?

I'm a taxpayer wheres my fking slice of the cake. I'll tel you where down the fat fkers mouth!! I dont gorge untill I need a taxpaying bail out!

[Scraggles]

seems am 31 bmi, only 16 stone, but going down the eat less food, exercise more route... seems to be working, doctor gave me some pills that make u poo 30% of fat, at the hotel the other day and farted whilst drying myself after bath... did not feel right and promptly dropped the less than white towel in the bath for the maid to play with

[Incorrigible]

7.5/10 Very good rant

Good length, good amount of swearing, nice bile

[bobbylondonuk]

most tax payers are out of shape....not fat enough to get their guts stapled.

If you are a taxpayer...you may use my taxes for your treatment...but please realise that you need to stuff yourself a bit less than you normally do.

For most of the fat bds who are not taxpayers....pay for it yourself!

[G_T]

camgear said:

Aren't they taxpayers too then? Do you ride a motorbike or drive a fast car? How much would it cost the NHS if you came off/crashed during a hoon?

Unless you're riding/driving your car knowing full well you're going to get seriously injured then it's not the same.

You'd also have to pay a st load of tax to cover the costs of gastric surgery combined with the associated consultation fees. If you've been obese for a long time you can also expect diabetes, heart disease and cancer to be on the cards. Treatments for all three are expensive.

Even if the tax was covered (which trust me it isn't). Resourceses are taken from "genuine" diseases that someone had no control over. This could mean they have their treatment delayed or not be treated at all because of somebodies "lifestyle choice".

EFA

Edited by G_T on Thursday 26th February 14:19

[camgear]

Interestingly, you excuse anorxeics as they suffer from 'mental illness', does it not occur to you that some overweight people also eat through mental illness? (I might be talking out of my arse, but isn't there some sort of endorphin release from eating that may relieve symptoms of depression, etc?)

[sidekickdmr]

id say 8/10 valid subject too and just the right level of swearing

[GreigM]

G_T said:

I’m not super fit. I have a beer gut and I smoke cigars.

Well I am pretty fit and have never smoked - what if I object to you ever getting anything on the NHS which could be related to your smoking or gut (which could be a vast array of things)? By gut I'm guessing you have a waist of 36" or higher - which would put you in the high risk of heart disease category with the fatties you so venomously dislike. Where do we draw the line?

[BMWBen]

I'd give that an 8/10 - was suitably abusive, well thought out, and enjoyable to read.

Bravo!

[Rofly Lollers]

We must pay for all medical treatment even if the injury or ailment is self inflicted.

The reason for this is because if we become selective about treatment then there is no end... for example,

the old dears who wear tight shoes and develop bunions or bad feet...
the receptionist who develops RSI...
the joiner who develops tennis elbow becase he hammers nails...
the lady who develops skin cancer because she likes to sunbathe...

and on... and on...

All self-inflicted injuries because of a lifestyle or career choice.

[G_T]

camgear said:

Interestingly, you excuse anorxeics as they suffer from 'mental illness', does it not occur to you that some overweight people also eat through mental illness? (I might be talking out of my arse, but isn't there some sort of endorphin release from eating that may relieve symptoms of depression, etc?)

Yes but starvation costs the NHS nothing.

[L4URA]

G_T said:

You’re not a fking perpetual motion machine powered by Mars bars.

Love it, fabulous line!

[ShadownINja]

camgear said:

Aren't they taxpayers too then? Do you ride a motorbike or drive a fast car? How much would it cost the NHS if you came off/crashed during a hoon?

I agree. That's it, isn't it. Why do they not deserve help when a motorist does, a rock climber, a skier or a cyclist does? What about a DIYer?

[215cu]

Simple.

Smokers pay for the damage they cause to the NHS.

Any food over 20% fat - 15% VAT.

That should cover the damage they do.

[G_T]

GreigM said:

G_T said:

I’m not super fit. I have a beer gut and I smoke cigars.

Well I am pretty fit and have never smoked - what if I object to you ever getting anything on the NHS which could be related to your smoking or gut (which could be a vast array of things)? By gut I'm guessing you have a waist of 36" or higher - which would put you in the high risk of heart disease category with the fatties you so venomously dislike. Where do we draw the line?

When you're classed as medically obese.

[ShadownINja]

215cu said:

Simple.

Smokers pay for the damage they cause to the NHS.

Any food over 20% fat - 15% VAT.

That should cover the damage they do.

Fat doesn't make you fat...

[ShadownINja]

G_T said:

GreigM said:

G_T said:

I’m not super fit. I have a beer gut and I smoke cigars.

Well I am pretty fit and have never smoked - what if I object to you ever getting anything on the NHS which could be related to your smoking or gut (which could be a vast array of things)? By gut I'm guessing you have a waist of 36" or higher - which would put you in the high risk of heart disease category with the fatties you so venomously dislike. Where do we draw the line?

When you're classed as medically obese.

Even if you're not clinically obese, you could still cost the NHS money.

[Funk]

Try directing your anger at dole-scum chavs first - they cost you and I far more than someone who's overweight EVER will.

Yes, I'm overweight. No, I don't make excuses for it. Do I struggle with losing it? Yes. Are there possible hereditary reasons why I'm the shape I am? Possibly - I'm the spitting image of my father, unfortunately. The comments about there being some form of mental issue (as we now accept there is with anorexia) could quite possibly be true.

Should we refuse all drug addicts any treatment? After all, they willingly do and take things that seriously harm them. What about smokers? What about women who get pregnant? Pregnancy can cause all sorts of issues and complications - yet it's still something people choose to do. Are you into extreme sports? Well no hospital treatment when you break your leg falling off that cliff or your 'chute doesn't open. Do you have dangerous pets? No treatment for you when you get stung or bitten then. Went abroad for your boob job did you? Got it cheap? Well done. Oh, it's gone wrong, you say? Sorry, no treatment for you. So you had a little too much on the sauce last night? Slipped and smacked your head on the kerb? No, no treatment for you either..

The list of people 'undeserving' of treatment could be endless. Once the NHS becomes selective, payment into it should be optional. Until then, we have to accept that some of us pay for less deserving people to be treated. Some of us perhaps will benefit from it in future. Who knows - OP, it could be your life that's saved one day, would you still think the same way?