Can open...worms every where. 0-60 times???
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Right chaps (& chappesses for Mrs Fish et al) a question for you all that may cause a few differences of opinions.
What are the o-60 times for difference models of the Elise?
I have read times for a stock S2 varying from 5.2-6.1 secs.
As all of the times I have read are from reputable sources what is the definitive???
What are the o-60 times for difference models of the Elise?
I have read times for a stock S2 varying from 5.2-6.1 secs.
As all of the times I have read are from reputable sources what is the definitive???
there isnt one ! ...depends on who tested it, what the weather was like, whether they had 2 or 3 attempts or were at it all day etc.
In the real world you will struggle to get below 6secs in a standard 120bhp car.
You will need 200bhp + to get below 5secs easily
by that I mean you can do it yourself from the traffic lights pretty consistently.......not you can go to a dragstrip , do 30 runs, burn out your clutch, just to get 1 perfect run that equalled the factory figure
In the real world you will struggle to get below 6secs in a standard 120bhp car.
You will need 200bhp + to get below 5secs easily
by that I mean you can do it yourself from the traffic lights pretty consistently.......not you can go to a dragstrip , do 30 runs, burn out your clutch, just to get 1 perfect run that equalled the factory figure
Bruce - you try doing it with proper timing gear - at Brunty couple of months ago, the 220bhp Honda cars were struggling to do sub 5 secs after 10 runs...they managed a 4.95 in the end I think...this is for a quoted 0-60 time of 3.9secs ! ...just goes to show how hard it is to achieve in reality.
Yeah, what he said.
0-60 is an incredibly crap metric, its so easily gives distorted & misleading picture of relative performance between cars. If you want a standing start measure I wish we would at least use 0-100 or 1/4 mile so at least a slighly more complete picture is given.
As for rolling increments some of Mike Lane's Exige(with Audi 1.8T) in gear times were pretty impressive.
30 - 50mph in second 0.98 sec
60 - 80mph in third 1.36 sec
90 - 100mph in fourth 1.01 sec
0-60 is an incredibly crap metric, its so easily gives distorted & misleading picture of relative performance between cars. If you want a standing start measure I wish we would at least use 0-100 or 1/4 mile so at least a slighly more complete picture is given.
As for rolling increments some of Mike Lane's Exige(with Audi 1.8T) in gear times were pretty impressive.
30 - 50mph in second 0.98 sec
60 - 80mph in third 1.36 sec
90 - 100mph in fourth 1.01 sec
very very cool numbersI agree that 0-60 is a lot less relevant than figures in the speed range that you use; i.e. when overtaking.
The Lotus figures for the standard S2 are 0-60 in 5.7s, and 0-100 in 17.2. That means that 60-100 is 11.5s; I have yet to put it to the test, but there is no way it takes over 10s to go from 60 to 100. A trip out with the wife and a stop watch is called for tomorrow.
Can anybody else comment on the published 0-100 figures, does anybody know of any sites that publish elise figures through the gears or that publish such figures for other cars.
The Lotus figures for the standard S2 are 0-60 in 5.7s, and 0-100 in 17.2. That means that 60-100 is 11.5s; I have yet to put it to the test, but there is no way it takes over 10s to go from 60 to 100. A trip out with the wife and a stop watch is called for tomorrow.
Can anybody else comment on the published 0-100 figures, does anybody know of any sites that publish elise figures through the gears or that publish such figures for other cars.
all - mmmmm a can of worms indeed!!! I agree that 0-60 times are not as useful as a performance indicator as a measurement to a greater speed/distance, however going by the quoted time for the S1 of 5.7 (which is the lowest I have seen quoted anywhere & 6.1 being the highest) I think this is realistic as a best of several attempts with factors such as surface traction, minimal fuel in tank, and minimal weight from driver with no luggage etc all in your favour.
I have recently timed my standard S1 (using AP22) with all of these factors as favourably arranged as possible and achieved a best of 5.79 and worst of 6.28. I know that many people discredit this device but so long as you are strict with the suspension/tilt factor setting it is a very accurate tool IMHO.
Sweatysock, agree that driver skill and launch technique can be a very significant factor - thats also one of the reasons why these figures can be missleading. A tricky car (say peaky high reving engine and a tall first gear) might still have an impressive figure published if after a lot of abusive tries with a skilled driver they pull off a blinder, but that performance might never really be accessable to the typical owner.
Another catch with 0-60 is that two cars with very similar performance look different if one can get to 60 in second gear and the other needs third (add at least 0.5 sec)
Another catch with 0-60 is that two cars with very similar performance look different if one can get to 60 in second gear and the other needs third (add at least 0.5 sec)
DanH, exactly (see above).
Arlo, you might be surprised. A standard elise can give you a solid shove in the back at low speeds but its impressive power to weight equasion evaporates onces speed rises and drag gets significant.
118bhp into 750kg is 157bhp per tonnne.
Once your speed starts heading for 100 and you're using a big chunk of your horsepower just maintaining a steady speed against the wind resistance the remaining bhp leaves a power to weight equasion that looks more like a repmobile (and unsurprisingly performs like it too). Lots of storys of base elises being slowly left behind over 100 by boring TDi sedans...
Arlo, you might be surprised. A standard elise can give you a solid shove in the back at low speeds but its impressive power to weight equasion evaporates onces speed rises and drag gets significant.
118bhp into 750kg is 157bhp per tonnne.
Once your speed starts heading for 100 and you're using a big chunk of your horsepower just maintaining a steady speed against the wind resistance the remaining bhp leaves a power to weight equasion that looks more like a repmobile (and unsurprisingly performs like it too). Lots of storys of base elises being slowly left behind over 100 by boring TDi sedans...
DanH, exactly (see above).
Arlo, you might be surprised. A standard elise can give you a solid shove in the back at low speeds but its impressive power to weight equasion evaporates onces speed rises and drag gets significant.
118bhp into 750kg is 157bhp per tonnne.
Once your speed starts heading for 100 and you're using a big chunk of your horsepower just maintaining a steady speed against the wind resistance the remaining bhp leaves a power to weight equasion that looks more like a repmobile (and unsurprisingly performs like it too). Lots of storys of base elises being slowly left behind over 100 by boring TDi sedans...
Arlo, you might be surprised. A standard elise can give you a solid shove in the back at low speeds but its impressive power to weight equasion evaporates onces speed rises and drag gets significant.
118bhp into 750kg is 157bhp per tonnne.
Once your speed starts heading for 100 and you're using a big chunk of your horsepower just maintaining a steady speed against the wind resistance the remaining bhp leaves a power to weight equasion that looks more like a repmobile (and unsurprisingly performs like it too). Lots of storys of base elises being slowly left behind over 100 by boring TDi sedans...
DanH, exactly (see above).
Arlo, you might be surprised. A standard elise can give you a solid shove in the back at low speeds but its impressive power to weight equasion evaporates onces speed rises and drag gets significant.
118bhp into 750kg is 157bhp per tonnne.
Once your speed starts heading for 100 and you're using a big chunk of your horsepower just maintaining a steady speed against the wind resistance the remaining bhp leaves a power to weight equasion that looks more like a repmobile (and unsurprisingly performs like it too). Lots of storys of base elises being slowly left behind over 100 by boring TDi sedans...
Arlo, you might be surprised. A standard elise can give you a solid shove in the back at low speeds but its impressive power to weight equasion evaporates onces speed rises and drag gets significant.
118bhp into 750kg is 157bhp per tonnne.
Once your speed starts heading for 100 and you're using a big chunk of your horsepower just maintaining a steady speed against the wind resistance the remaining bhp leaves a power to weight equasion that looks more like a repmobile (and unsurprisingly performs like it too). Lots of storys of base elises being slowly left behind over 100 by boring TDi sedans...
agreed - you need a shit load of power to make and Elise fast over 100mph...or even from 80mph upwards. Ive got about 220bhp and 190lb/ft....but from 100mph up its still only as fast say as a 230bhp normal weight saloon car..aerodynamics are poo on the Elise too
....up to a ton though its pretty quick - approx 11secs ish
I certainly have trouble leaving things like Volvo T5s and 330ci beemers over the ton. I think 300bhp/300lb/ft in the Elise should sort it out
....up to a ton though its pretty quick - approx 11secs ish I certainly have trouble leaving things like Volvo T5s and 330ci beemers over the ton. I think 300bhp/300lb/ft in the Elise should sort it out
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