Have you noticed getting dirty looks from pedestrians when:
Discussion
Yeah, give way if the pedestrian is already on the crossing
Highway code (rule 19):
Zebra crossings. Give traffic plenty of time to see you and to stop before you start to cross. Vehicles will need more time when the road is slippery. Wait until traffic has stopped from both directions or the road is clear before crossing. Remember that traffic does not have to stop until someone has moved onto the crossing. Keep looking both ways, and listening, in case a driver or rider has not seen you and attempts to overtake a vehicle that has stopped.
Highway code (rule 19):
Zebra crossings. Give traffic plenty of time to see you and to stop before you start to cross. Vehicles will need more time when the road is slippery. Wait until traffic has stopped from both directions or the road is clear before crossing. Remember that traffic does not have to stop until someone has moved onto the crossing. Keep looking both ways, and listening, in case a driver or rider has not seen you and attempts to overtake a vehicle that has stopped.
I don't think it's ignorance, so much as common useage. Most people, drivers and pedestrians, expect traffic to give way when people are waiting at a crossing.
Sometimes the rules are out of kilter with what the majority does. In those situations, I would contest that the rules should be updated, rather than telling everyone that they're all doing it wrong. See also flashing of headlights.
Sometimes the rules are out of kilter with what the majority does. In those situations, I would contest that the rules should be updated, rather than telling everyone that they're all doing it wrong. See also flashing of headlights.
The Black Flash said:
I don't think it's ignorance, so much as common useage. Most people, drivers and pedestrians, expect traffic to give way when people are waiting at a crossing.
Sometimes the rules are out of kilter with what the majority does. In those situations, I would contest that the rules should be updated, rather than telling everyone that they're all doing it wrong. See also flashing of headlights.
A very good post sir.Sometimes the rules are out of kilter with what the majority does. In those situations, I would contest that the rules should be updated, rather than telling everyone that they're all doing it wrong. See also flashing of headlights.
My father, attempting to keep his then young son out of harms way, and to try and stop him harming others whilst terrorising people with his powerful motorcycle explained it to me thus :
This is not exactly correct in law .... but I'm sure you'll get the idea.
A Zebra crossing is the pavement, that you can ride/drive over when pedestrians don't wish to use it.
A pelican crossing is the road whilst the lights are on green, and the pavement when they are not green.
You often see Germany quoted on here favourably when were talking about speed, well their take is a vehicle must stop if a pedestrian is withing fiver meters of a crossing ...... so in this case, be thankful we don't do that !
Tonsko said:
Cyder said:
You do understand how Zebra crossings work don't you?
Thanks for that snippy answer. Here's one back: Clearly you do not.The other missunderstood thing is you're not supposed to drive on while people are on the crossing, even it the way in front of you is clear as the pedestrians cross the other lane.
Tonsko said:
Cyder said:
You do understand how Zebra crossings work don't you?
Thanks for that snippy answer. Here's one back: Clearly you do not.f
k walking out onto one until the traffic is stopped it's just not a sensible thing to do.Deva Link said:
The other missunderstood thing is you're not supposed to drive on while people are on the crossing, even it the way in front of you is clear as the pedestrians cross the other lane.
.. unless there is a central street refuge or reservation - then it's treated as two separate crossings.fido said:
Deva Link said:
The other missunderstood thing is you're not supposed to drive on while people are on the crossing, even it the way in front of you is clear as the pedestrians cross the other lane.
.. unless there is a central street refuge or reservation - then it's treated as two separate crossings.Deva Link said:
The pedestrian only has to put a foot on the crossing and you're in all sorts of trouble if you don't / can't stop. It's generally best to just stop.
Agreed.Deva Link said:
The other missunderstood thing is you're not supposed to drive on while people are on the crossing, even it the way in front of you is clear as the pedestrians cross the other lane.
Do you have a source for this?Tonsko said:
Thanks for that snippy answer. Here's one back: Clearly you do not.
If you follow the rules to the letter, they just don't work. Thankfully, most people are more sensible than that.For motorists:
look out for pedestrians waiting to cross and be ready to slow down or stop to let them cross
you MUST give way when a pedestrian has moved onto a crossing
(which, by my understanding means that you don't HAVE to stop if someone's waiting, but you probably should)
For pedestrians:
always check that the traffic has stopped before you start to cross or push a pram onto a crossing
So, cars don't have to stop until a pedestrian has moved onto the crossing, and a pedestrian shoudn't start until a car has stopped. But, if a pedestrian does start, then the car MUST stop.
Someone didn't think these rules through!!
19
Zebra crossings. Give traffic plenty of time to see you and to stop before you start to cross. Vehicles will need more time when the road is slippery. Wait until traffic has stopped from both directions or the road is clear before crossing. Remember that traffic does not have to stop until someone has moved onto the crossing. Keep looking both ways, and listening, in case a driver or rider has not seen you and attempts to overtake a vehicle that has stopped.
20
Where there is an island in the middle of a zebra crossing, wait on the island and follow Rule 19 before you cross the second half of the road – it is a separate crossing.
So the code tells pedestrians to get on the crossing or cars dont have to stop. But not to get on the crossing if the cars have not stopped. All in one rule!
20 covers the "island = two crossings" question.
Zebra crossings. Give traffic plenty of time to see you and to stop before you start to cross. Vehicles will need more time when the road is slippery. Wait until traffic has stopped from both directions or the road is clear before crossing. Remember that traffic does not have to stop until someone has moved onto the crossing. Keep looking both ways, and listening, in case a driver or rider has not seen you and attempts to overtake a vehicle that has stopped.
20
Where there is an island in the middle of a zebra crossing, wait on the island and follow Rule 19 before you cross the second half of the road – it is a separate crossing.
So the code tells pedestrians to get on the crossing or cars dont have to stop. But not to get on the crossing if the cars have not stopped. All in one rule!
20 covers the "island = two crossings" question.
Tonsko said:
You don't automatically stop for a zebra crossing if they're simply waiting to cross?
I'd say it was good manners to stop, even if they haven't put a foot on the crossing. I always feel guilty when I don't usually because I haven't seen the pedestrian which is generally down to poor concentration on my part.Tonsko said:
You don't automatically stop for a zebra crossing if they're simply waiting to cross?
Why wouldn't you?Didn't see them in time= poor driving
Saw them waiting but it would have been dangerous to stop because vehicle behind was too close= poor planning.
I'm a selfish t
t= poor drivingI believe the word 'unobtrusive' often appears when talking about good road driving so getting dirty looks from pedestrians may say more about the driver than he wishes to admit.
A slight detour, but doesn't it annoy when a pedestrian is standing apparently waiting to cross but when you slow/stop it becomes clear that that isn't why they are stood there. They might be simply daydreaming or having a chat and the passing traffic all has to slow unnecessarily.
As you were ;-)
As you were ;-)
7mike said:
Why wouldn't you?
Didn't see them in time= poor driving
Saw them waiting but it would have been dangerous to stop because vehicle behind was too close= poor planning.
I'm a selfish tt= poor driving
I believe the word 'unobtrusive' often appears when talking about good road driving so getting dirty looks from pedestrians may say more about the driver than he wishes to admit.
Or I don't want to stop and have to pull away again.Didn't see them in time= poor driving
Saw them waiting but it would have been dangerous to stop because vehicle behind was too close= poor planning.
I'm a selfish t
t= poor drivingI believe the word 'unobtrusive' often appears when talking about good road driving so getting dirty looks from pedestrians may say more about the driver than he wishes to admit.
I'll be past them in five seconds but it will take 30-40 seconds for me to stop, wait for them to cross and get back up to speed again. Assuming there is no one behind me of course
You think rude, I think efficient.
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