Rotor Q rings on Ultegra chainset?
Rotor Q rings on Ultegra chainset?
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PorkRind

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231 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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So i've worn out my chain/cassette and chainrings, so i fancied upgrading a little bit by either just getting what i assume was possible, in getting some Q rings and putting them onto my existing ultegra 6870 cranks. A new KMC chain, in gold of course, and a new ultegra cassette?

Now i have noticed that i do top out going down hills so was thinking of going from a 50/34 to a 52/36 and keeping the cassette the same 11-28. Theres about 3 different type of rotor q rings, i'm not sure which ones to get, is it worth paying a bit more and getting the rotor cranks too, if so which ones and would this require a rotor BB?

Additionally - ive had a bit of chain suck, not good on a carbon frame, do any of you use a chainsuck device to any success?

Many thanks,

Jimbo.

4,193 posts

215 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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Chainsuck means your chain and/or rings are worn. Keep on top of them and it shouldn’t be an issue. Certainly can’t recall any chainsuck “devices” for road bikes

PorkRind

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Monday 25th June 2018
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Yeah, im surprised, ive only done 1300 miles on them - theyre degreased and reoiled weekly so its not a maintenance issue.

The next thing is , do i go for rotor cranks and q rings or just slap some q rings, new chain and ultegra/ duraace cassette on her... I just bought a rotor chain drop tool thingy to stop that chain suck ever happening again..


This is the chainsuck device:

https://www.merlincycles.com/rotor-chain-catcher-9...

TwistingMyMelon

6,489 posts

231 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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Worst chain suck I had on a bike was due to failing bearings in rear wheel, once they were replaced it stopped. Im not saying its this, but it can be due to other things

I prefer a 52/36 to a 50/34 . If you are considering moving to a 36, how do you cope with the lower end. I wouldn't bother moving just to give more speed on the downhills, but thats me

Ironically my bike with a 36/29 is fine for me and feels the same as a 34/28 even though the ratio is supposed to be a bit tougher


PorkRind

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231 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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I hope its not the bearings, but mavic aren't exactly know for their bearing quality..

Marcellus

7,198 posts

245 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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PorkRind said:
That's not a "Chain suck" device it's a "chain catcher" to stop your chain dropping off the smaller gear and getting stuck between chainrings and frame.

If that's happening then you need to adjust the stops on your front derailleur and not spend any money on anything!

Your Dad

2,211 posts

209 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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PorkRind said:
Anti-chain suck devices typically sit under the chain stays and prevent the chain pulling up from the bottom of the chainring and round the BB shell.

The chain catcher will only prevent the chain dropping inside the inner ring when you shift from big > small at the front.


Edit - beaten to it.

TwistingMyMelon

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231 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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PorkRind said:
I hope its not the bearings, but mavic aren't exactly know for their bearing quality..
Mine was just jamming up, id coast up to a junction and maybe spin the pedals once backwards for a bit of balance and then the chain would get caught up and fall off. Since the bearings were done I can pedal endlessly backwards with no ill effects

Its bread and butter simple stuff for a decent LBS , id just ask them to look at it , im st at gears though so avoid at all costs

Jimbo.

4,193 posts

215 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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That’s not chain suck; that’s just guff freehub (bearings) allowing the chain to “back up” rather than rotate freely, and fall off the chainrings where there’s too much slack.

Chainsuck is the chain, well...sucking...onto the chainrings and getting dragged upwards, normally getting trapped against the chainstay. Shagged chainrings and/or chains will do this.

Jimbo.

4,193 posts

215 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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PorkRind said:
Yeah, im surprised, ive only done 1300 miles on them - theyre degreased and reoiled weekly so its not a maintenance issue.

The next thing is , do i go for rotor cranks and q rings or just slap some q rings, new chain and ultegra/ duraace cassette on her... I just bought a rotor chain drop tool thingy to stop that chain suck ever happening again..


This is the chainsuck device:

https://www.merlincycles.com/rotor-chain-catcher-9...
Regular, full degreasing doesn’t help matters: it’ll strip the grease out from around the rollers, and roiling doesn’t always get the right amount back in the right places.

Are you absolutely sure it’s chainsuck (doesn’t sound it, TBH)?

PorkRind

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Monday 25th June 2018
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It happened after I back pedalled after a sprint, chain came off and dropped between bb and crank.

Jimbo.

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215 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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PorkRind said:
It happened after I back pedalled after a sprint, chain came off and dropped between bb and crank.
That’s just a dropped chain, not chain suck.
I’d be looking at why a bit of back-pedalling would make your chain drop. Draggy freehub, maybe.

PorkRind

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Monday 25th June 2018
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Hmm OK. It is one of those mavic ratchety free hubs that whir quite a bit so creating more resistance than say a shimano might? I think they're designed like it to engage quicker upon acceleration.

Jimbo.

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215 months

Monday 25th June 2018
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PorkRind said:
Hmm OK. It is one of those mavic ratchety free hubs that whir quite a bit so creating more resistance than say a shimano might? I think they're designed like it to engage quicker upon acceleration.
They’re just Mavic freehubs being their usual ste self, nothing to do with engagement or supposed acceleration advantages.

PorkRind

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Monday 25th June 2018
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Damn them ! Time for some Enve then !

TwistingMyMelon

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Monday 25th June 2018
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Jimbo. said:
That’s not chain suck; that’s just guff freehub (bearings) allowing the chain to “back up” rather than rotate freely, and fall off the chainrings where there’s too much slack.

Chainsuck is the chain, well...sucking...onto the chainrings and getting dragged upwards, normally getting trapped against the chainstay. Shagged chainrings and/or chains will do this.
Yeah I agree, my issue sounds similar to OPS , was trying to get him to check everything before investing in new rings

PorkRind

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Monday 25th June 2018
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I've tweaked the h and l. Adjustment screws so when theyre tighter tolerances between chain and mech.

How do I check / clean free hub?

PorkRind

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Wednesday 27th June 2018
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Taking it to lbs. Ordered new dura ace crank, and cassette kmc chain. Get the lbs to go over it and make it work nicely again!

Jimbo.

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215 months

Wednesday 27th June 2018
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PorkRind said:
I've tweaked the h and l. Adjustment screws so when theyre tighter tolerances between chain and mech.

How do I check / clean free hub?
The H and L limit screws won’t help here, and assuming you’re not having any problems at the back, you never need touch them once set up.

What you adjusted was the B screw, and that won’t do anything at all for chain suck.