It's the little things that cause aggro...
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Nitro-besty said:
and as Joe said, it's getting a bit anal to be unhappy with the look of the horrible, disgusting, ugly brake master cylinder...
Who in their right minds looks at a cars master cylinder when they first look at a car? ... Superb car.. awful master cylinder though!
Seriously, no one looks at a master cylinder on a car, it's just one of those things that you need regardless of what it looks like... a big toe for example! Useful, but not very good to look at!
And also another thing Jon, why did you let them put the tag sticker on the chassis while it was still unpainted? Are you leaving it metal then?
Would be fine in so-cal, not a good idea over here though :P
Edited by NuthinFancy on Tuesday 4th December 13:31
NuthinFancy said:
Nitro-besty said:
and as Joe said, it's getting a bit anal to be unhappy with the look of the horrible, disgusting, ugly brake master cylinder...
Who in their right minds looks at a cars master cylinder when they first look at a car? ... Superb car.. awful master cylinder though!
Seriously, no one looks at a master cylinder on a car, it's just one of those things that you need regardless of what it looks like... a big toe for example! Useful, but not very good to look at!
And also another thing Jon, why did you let them put the tag sticker on the chassis while it was still unpainted? Are you leaving it metal then?
Would be fine in so-cal, not a good idea over here though :P
Edited by NuthinFancy on Tuesday 4th December 13:31
MotorPsycho said:
BB-Q said:
you could always just matt laquer it.
tis what I want to doregarding JonC's point, I think the rules prohibit painted chassis in top fuel and top alcohol
So there you go. It is allowed, but not common practice.
JC
Nitro-besty said:
I believe, due to the fact that a bare chassis is easy to check for hairline cracks and fractures. Anything painted can hide quite a lot.
This was my understanding of the situationNitro-besty said:
...if you have a driver who enjoys a pukka pie, well, every saving is important 
You say that like its a bad thing...Jon, unfortunately you can't get them to come off, well you can but it voids them, and those SFI stickers are I think £30 each, so if your gonna mask it, be carefull!!!!!!.
So as a word of advice for anyone else prob getting a chassis built, we can always hold the sticker for you till after its painted and then apply it at the track for you.
The reason for the non painting is just for ease of checking for cracks
Reason for non plating is the ultrasonic thickness checkers can't read through the plating.
I am going to get mine powdercoated once Paul is finished er finishing it
So as a word of advice for anyone else prob getting a chassis built, we can always hold the sticker for you till after its painted and then apply it at the track for you.
The reason for the non painting is just for ease of checking for cracks
Reason for non plating is the ultrasonic thickness checkers can't read through the plating.
I am going to get mine powdercoated once Paul is finished er finishing it
Edited by Dnac on Wednesday 5th December 07:50
Nitro-besty said:
Dnac said:
Jon, unfortunately you can't get them to come off, well you can but it voids them, and those SFI stickers are I think £30 each, so if your gonna mask it, be carefull!!!!!!.
So as a word of advice for anyone else prob getting a chassis built, we can always hold the sticker for you till after its painted and then apply it at the track for you.
The reason for the non painting is just for ease of checking for cracks
Reason for non plating is the ultrasonic thickness checkers can't read through the plating.
I am going to get mine powdercoated once Paul is finished er finishing it
Dave, ta muchly for that. It'll be masked off when it comes to paintwork time. To be honest, I never even got asked if I wanted the stickers applied straight away or not (I wasn't present at the time of tagging).So as a word of advice for anyone else prob getting a chassis built, we can always hold the sticker for you till after its painted and then apply it at the track for you.
The reason for the non painting is just for ease of checking for cracks
Reason for non plating is the ultrasonic thickness checkers can't read through the plating.
I am going to get mine powdercoated once Paul is finished er finishing it
Edited by Dnac on Wednesday 5th December 07:50
To take it to the extreme how do the tech guy's know it's even the same chassis that they looked at? Not a direct comparison but I am told that a road vehicle only has to meet the MOT requirements at the time of test. After that it matters not for another year. Again I could be wrong but I was always under the assumption that a tech inspector, speak up Geoff, could inspect a vehicle while under construction to give guidance, but the actual inspection took place when the vehicle was complete and THEN the sticker was affixed. This did not apply to already proven chassis's that had already been tagged and or updated, but completly new vehicle's I would have thought definatly. Again not trying to stir the pot here. BJ.
Edited by Bob Jarrett on Wednesday 5th December 15:20
My chassie was inspected while at Roy Wilding's after he completed it and was given the thumbs up and i was given a receipt so when my car gets to the track completed i will be issued with relavent stickerage which is great as it means i will not have wasted 8 months or so of the tag while it is being built and i will have the full timespan of the tag .the only thing i have to show is my motor plate which was not on the chassie at the time of tagging, but remember the main focus of the inspection is from the motor plate rearwards in the case of a front engined dragster this is the most important part of the structure as for tagging jons chassie there is nothing wrong in the practice as it is what it is a "chassie tag" dont forget before it is allowed to run evan at a RWYB it has to pass scruttineer's inspection which lookis at all the other aspects of the car ie restraints fire suit helmet and that the car is screwed together also if you are in compition i believe the tech team can reandomly inspect any comp vehicle as and when the want.....bit like random drug testing.....
To go to the time, agro and expense of building a ‘top fuel combination’, which if built properly should easily run down into the low 6’s, and then tag it to SFI 2.6, 7.5 seconds or slower, to me defeats the object.
Even if you are racing in the Supercharged Outlaws, top fuel nitro is the ultimate, fastest front engined dragster class, so to future proof it for when you get it running half decent I would have expected you would have tagged it to SFI 6.2B, 6.29 seconds and quicker, or even 2.4B, 6.3 to 7.49.
To me, the idea that because the supercharged Outlaws are a non MSA class, so the chassis does not need to be tagged to 2.2B, is a nonsense. Should one day the unfortunate happen and you take a run at the barrier you will want the best constructed chassis and safety equipment around you, thats a fact.
That’s my thoughts for what its worth
Even if you are racing in the Supercharged Outlaws, top fuel nitro is the ultimate, fastest front engined dragster class, so to future proof it for when you get it running half decent I would have expected you would have tagged it to SFI 6.2B, 6.29 seconds and quicker, or even 2.4B, 6.3 to 7.49.
To me, the idea that because the supercharged Outlaws are a non MSA class, so the chassis does not need to be tagged to 2.2B, is a nonsense. Should one day the unfortunate happen and you take a run at the barrier you will want the best constructed chassis and safety equipment around you, thats a fact.
That’s my thoughts for what its worth
Edited by Don the shoe on Thursday 6th December 07:30
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