Saloon car track biased pads
Discussion
Hey guys, looking for opinions from saloon car drivers.
I drive an Accord Type R and was looking for track suitable (high temp) pads to match my drilled treated discs.
I don't have any real experience of the UK/EU brands such as EBC yellow & red, Mintex, Pagid and Ferrodo DS2500. I normally opt for mad 7-900'c Japanese market stuff such as ProjectMu or APEX as I know they work.
However, I need some pads pronto hence going for UK available stock.
Pagid seem to have a good selection but from what I can see don't make a rear item for my car, the same goes for DS2500 unfortunately.
So, would anyone recommend EBC yellow for a FWD 1250kg Saloon at the hands of a fast/experienced driver or are they not as good as their tech spec would suggest?
Comments appreciated!
I drive an Accord Type R and was looking for track suitable (high temp) pads to match my drilled treated discs.
I don't have any real experience of the UK/EU brands such as EBC yellow & red, Mintex, Pagid and Ferrodo DS2500. I normally opt for mad 7-900'c Japanese market stuff such as ProjectMu or APEX as I know they work.
However, I need some pads pronto hence going for UK available stock.
Pagid seem to have a good selection but from what I can see don't make a rear item for my car, the same goes for DS2500 unfortunately.
So, would anyone recommend EBC yellow for a FWD 1250kg Saloon at the hands of a fast/experienced driver or are they not as good as their tech spec would suggest?
Comments appreciated!
I use Ferodo DS3000s on the Saab (~1.200 kg, darn near 300 bhp) - a bit naughty for a road car, but they're better when cold that any of the previous pads were when warm, and get even better than that when warmed up, they've not even worn halfway in 15,000 miles including five track sessions and I've had no issues with them for the six years they've been on the car (yes, I do very low mileage in that car). They're a LOT grippier than the DS2500s apparently, which in turn are as good as 'road' pads are going to get. Downsides - the squeal a bit on light applications, they're hard on the discs (use a plain disc as they're non-gassing, plain Brembos are fine), they shed a lot of brake dust which is hard to remove, and folks have warned me that they do not like road salt (not that 300 horses, FWD and semi track tyres are a good combination in wintery condtions anyway 
).
Oh, and on a FWD car I wouln't bother with high performance pads on the rear - they'll only make your life on road and track harder. Recommended combination for FWD cars as per 'the books' is high friction compound front - low friction compound rear. Just get rear pads that can handle the temperatures you're likely to encounter on the track - I found at MOT time that the OE rears on the Saab don't...
).Oh, and on a FWD car I wouln't bother with high performance pads on the rear - they'll only make your life on road and track harder. Recommended combination for FWD cars as per 'the books' is high friction compound front - low friction compound rear. Just get rear pads that can handle the temperatures you're likely to encounter on the track - I found at MOT time that the OE rears on the Saab don't...
Edited by 900T-R on Thursday 23 August 07:21
Hmmm bugger... I've just gone and got DS2500's as on our Pug 205 track motor I haven't had any issues with em, and hadn't seen the need to go for DS3000's. Pug weighs in at approx 750 / 770 Kgs and used on Toyo R888's.
Interesting that you don't rate DS2500's. My new set is a replacement of the now knackered set and when looking at what was avail I deliberately didn't go for DS3000's as I didn't want a pad that doesn't warm up until about lap 5 !
Darn it... should have got some to try now !
Interesting that you don't rate DS2500's. My new set is a replacement of the now knackered set and when looking at what was avail I deliberately didn't go for DS3000's as I didn't want a pad that doesn't warm up until about lap 5 !
Darn it... should have got some to try now !
I've tried DS2500 & DS3000 on my Impreza but currently run Carbotech XP8's . Same sort of bite as the DS3000 but better modulation 
. Also avoids the rather vicious dust from the 3000's . Well worth a try
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Very helpful bunch
. Also avoids the rather vicious dust from the 3000's . Well worth a try http://www.carbotecheurope.com/ no association etc
Very helpful bunch
I've used (in chronological order), EBC Greenstuff, Ferodo DS2500 and Pagid RS29 on my '89 320i.
Greenstuff last forever, but will fade if used hard;
DS2500s didn't fade even with very hard (Nordschleife) use, but wear fast (under 50 'Ring laps +2000 road miles);
Pagid RS29s have awesome cold friction, getting even better when hot, but they are very harsh* and hard on discs. Lasted 100+ 'Ring laps and over 3000 road miles.
I'm going to try Ferodo DS3000s next......
Greenstuff last forever, but will fade if used hard;
DS2500s didn't fade even with very hard (Nordschleife) use, but wear fast (under 50 'Ring laps +2000 road miles);
Pagid RS29s have awesome cold friction, getting even better when hot, but they are very harsh* and hard on discs. Lasted 100+ 'Ring laps and over 3000 road miles.
I'm going to try Ferodo DS3000s next......
- Imagine somebody has stolen your discs and pads and replaced them with a stone-cutting disc for an angle grinder and two lumps of rebar concrete. That's what hot RS29s feel like. You won't like it. You will stop.
DS2500's are brilliant, as are the DS3000's which give improved results, and yet more dust.
The 3000's are considerably harsher on the disks themselves, so I'd say if you're not getting beyond the limits of the 2500's you're probably best sticking with them.
Mintex alternatives are very good too, and less dust generating.
Pagids are next on my hit list to try
The 3000's are considerably harsher on the disks themselves, so I'd say if you're not getting beyond the limits of the 2500's you're probably best sticking with them.
Mintex alternatives are very good too, and less dust generating.
Pagids are next on my hit list to try
I've opted to run the DS3000 upfront, Mintex Extreme at the rear with Nitrac drilled and phosphate coated discs all round. Braided lines and RBF600.
I had no problem outbraking 700'c pads on a lighter car and after looking at the spec of the 2500 felt I should opt for the heavy handed 3000s.
Why Nitrac? Well they are cryo treated and offer a lifetime warranty - I explained to them I would be abusing the discs and they were adamant their product would perform, not only that if it didn't they like feedback and happily work to replace the discs. Very cool!
Finally, I'm running the Mintex Extreme on the rear because they are a 'warm' pad that will offer added braking over the OE part and hopefully balance out the carnage going on up front!
After my trip to Donnington Park, I'll report back.
The car in question is an Accord Type R, LSD, 220hp, 1280kg. Stock-ish, road livery.
I had no problem outbraking 700'c pads on a lighter car and after looking at the spec of the 2500 felt I should opt for the heavy handed 3000s.
Why Nitrac? Well they are cryo treated and offer a lifetime warranty - I explained to them I would be abusing the discs and they were adamant their product would perform, not only that if it didn't they like feedback and happily work to replace the discs. Very cool!
Finally, I'm running the Mintex Extreme on the rear because they are a 'warm' pad that will offer added braking over the OE part and hopefully balance out the carnage going on up front!
After my trip to Donnington Park, I'll report back.
The car in question is an Accord Type R, LSD, 220hp, 1280kg. Stock-ish, road livery.
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