Some Hi-Def video laps of the 'ring
Discussion
Finally got around to uploading some video from the 'ring last year. Great fun rolling along in convoy for most of it with two others & swapping the lead about a bit.
Don't forget to click the link to turn HD on.
Lap 1
http://www.vimeo.com/2896116
Lap 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOw-mnaMD4M
Lap3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOw_pnhWEQk
The cast
Don in the beautifully prepared 964 (similar to RS spec)
Dave in the S1 Elise 111S (Nitron suspension, noisy exhaust bits)
Dale in the Alfa 75 V6 (RSR Nurburg spec)
Video taken with a cheapo Aiptek A-HD+
Note, this was a private trackday hence the overtaking on both sides, if you go there for public 'Touristenfahrt' overtake only on the left side.
Doesnt overtaking on either side cause confusion? Id have thought that the Nordschleif needed a bigger/firmer briefing (overtaking on the left only; not into braking areas or through corners etc - theres enough to worry about at the 'Ring without a free-for-all adding to it) than a short circuit?
GC8 said:
Doesnt overtaking on either side cause confusion?
Could certainly be argued that way. As this was a Motorsport Academy day the average experience level was supposed to be higher than on a typical TF day.Part of the point of the day was to simulate some race conditions, the point where even fake 'wrecks' are put out on circuit and you are monitored for your obeservation and flag compliance. As I was doing this as part of a DMSB license test (German National A) any mistakes in that regard would have resulted in a fail.
The briefing made it clear that overtaking was allowed both sides, and they did not prohibit braking zones or corners either. The rules were pretty much "don't hit each other".
It worked fine on the day, no incidents as a result of tangles mid-corner etc.
GC8 said:
Id have thought that the Nordschleif needed a bigger/firmer briefing (overtaking on the left only; not into braking areas or through corners etc - theres enough to worry about at the 'Ring without a free-for-all adding to it) than a short circuit?
For trackdays it tends to run according to the TD organisers rules I think. Usually that means overtake only by consent, on the left, and on straights only. For public Touristfahrt days you cant really start having briefings etc. Its public road rules and drive accordingly, or bust.
SpeedyDave said:
Could certainly be argued that way. As this was a Motorsport Academy day the average experience level was supposed to be higher than on a typical TF day.
Part of the point of the day was to simulate some race conditions, the point where even fake 'wrecks' are put out on circuit and you are monitored for your obeservation and flag compliance. As I was doing this as part of a DMSB license test (German National A) any mistakes in that regard would have resulted in a fail.
The briefing made it clear that overtaking was allowed both sides, and they did not prohibit braking zones or corners either. The rules were pretty much "don't hit each other".
It worked fine on the day, no incidents as a result of tangles mid-corner etc.
Thats quite different then: Id assumed that it was a normal track day. With regards to TF: briefing/beating is required! Part of the point of the day was to simulate some race conditions, the point where even fake 'wrecks' are put out on circuit and you are monitored for your obeservation and flag compliance. As I was doing this as part of a DMSB license test (German National A) any mistakes in that regard would have resulted in a fail.
The briefing made it clear that overtaking was allowed both sides, and they did not prohibit braking zones or corners either. The rules were pretty much "don't hit each other".
It worked fine on the day, no incidents as a result of tangles mid-corner etc.
GC8 said:
Thats quite different then: Id assumed that it was a normal track day. With regards to TF: briefing/beating is required!
I know where you're coming from, but my point is that once you start down that road of "improving" TF, then it isnt really TF any more.Once it starts to look more and more like a trackday then along with it the GmbH will have an increasing obligation to 'do it properly'. That means manned marshal posts etc and all the costs that come with it. There are trackdays for those that want them.
TF is unique, and its worked just fine for 80 years. It would be nice if more people would just treat it appropriately though.
GC8 said:
Thats quite different then: Id assumed that it was a normal track day. With regards to TF: briefing/beating is required!
I know where you're coming from, but my point is that once you start down that road of "improving" TF, then it isnt really TF any more.Once it starts to look more and more like a trackday then along with it the GmbH will have an increasing obligation to 'do it properly'. That means manned marshal posts etc and all the costs that come with it. There are trackdays for those that want them.
TF is unique, and its worked just fine for 80 years. It would be nice if more people would just treat it appropriately though.
james28 said:
the guy driving the alfa has some great lines 
He ought too, he lives there & works for these guys --> www.RSRnurburg.comHere is a chase car clip (standard def) of the guys larking about in the wet
http://vimeo.com/2205653
Love the drift at 5:45, right on the money all the way through the long downhill "miss-hit-miss".
Edited by SpeedyDave on Wednesday 11th March 20:41
Edited by SpeedyDave on Wednesday 11th March 20:42
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