Track days
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daytona365

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1,773 posts

186 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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If you go on one of these track days and the car goes bang in a catastrophic way...............Well, what then ?

Zoobeef

6,004 posts

180 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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Go home?

anonymous-user

76 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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Bit confused by the question to be honest, it's no different to it crapping out anywhere else, get it recovered and then depending on the severity of the issue get it fixed or strip it for parts and scrap the shell.

Is the question about how to get the car recovered because if so recovery services do attend trackdays, I know the AA and Green Flag do anyway as I've seen them turn up to help members.

daytona365

Original Poster:

1,773 posts

186 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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So you have to pay for the damages yourself then ? A bit of a facetious remark I hear you say, but what about insurances ? Guess it's not exactly cheap eh ?

Stephanie Plum

2,797 posts

233 months

Saturday 4th July 2015
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Depends whether you crash it or blow it up. You can insure against the former, not the latter.

b0rk

2,409 posts

168 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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Trackdays are not cheap full stop after you've paid for the event fee, fuel, additional wear on tyres, brakes (discs and pads), oil and other fluids your looking a decent chunk of change for each day.

Insurance covering own damage if you want it is not that bad in scheme of things usually between 1% and 0.5% of the value as a premium and a 5% excess with minimum values for both. TBH it isn't worth it on lower value or older cars.

Mechanical failure wise no matter weather the car is box fresh or a 20 year old shed your SOL and paying for it yourself. This may also include recovery costs.

QBee

22,048 posts

166 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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^^^^^^ what he says..

Trackday insurance will cover your own damage regardless of fault if the car body is damaged, be it collision or hitting the barrier. You cannot claim off the other driver.
My cover has a 10% excess, which is 10% of the total value of the car, so with my £10,000 car, the excess is £1,000, even if the claim is only £1250. My car is insured under a classic policy that includes such cover. I get 6 UK track days a year within the premium, after that is £52 per event. I would imagine that single event cover is more expensive than that, if only because of the admin involved. So far in 20 track days I have not had to claim. Track days, if driven sensibly, and with extreme caution in the wet, are relatively safe, but I have been lucky on more than one occasion.
On my policy Spa Francorchamps is possible, but more expensive, and they won't cover the Ring at all due to the high number of accidents.

Blow the engine up, break a gearbox - tough. And don't assume that just because a car is "made for the track", it won't break. You would think that 911s have a sporting pedigree, but of the three at my last track day, two went home early, one with an engine fault and one with a blown turbo. Prepare your car properly and watch the gauges and listen as you drive, and you will stand a better chance of having no problems.

Track days cost me on average around £400-500 a time.


andyiley

12,058 posts

174 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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I too bank on £400 - 500 a time.

£150 (average) to the tdo.
£150 fuel.
£100 tyres.
£50 brakes
£50 general servicing.

All are averages over several years of running the car through thick & thin.

andyiley

12,058 posts

174 months

Sunday 5th July 2015
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Still don't understand the question!

Whether it happens in the car park at asda or the straight at cadwell the same costs occur.

Edited by andyiley on Sunday 5th July 16:46

sydown

63 posts

231 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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If you blow the car up you will have to get it recovered and fix it. Most breakdown policies WILL NOT cover you if you have been participating in a trackday. Only the AA will pick you up if you have. RAC and Greenflag won't according to their T's and C's.
Not sure if trackday insurance covers for mechanical failure though!

QBee

22,048 posts

166 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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sydown said:
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Not sure if trackday insurance covers for mechanical failure though!
No, it doesn't. It covers accident crash damage only, and only your own car, so no claims from third parties.

There has been a recent court case where the crashed into driver claimed off his track day cover, and the insurers then sued the other driver for their costs and won.....but that case was an aberration and the insurer themselves stated that they wished they hadn't taken the case to court, and didn't pursue the money after the judgement.
They only got judgement because m'lud hadn't a clue what a track day was and applied the normal rules of the highway as if it had happened in Clapham High Street, not Riches Corner at Snetterton. (Smacks of "and who are these Bee-attles?". "I believe they are a popular beat combo, m'lud")

james_gt3rs

4,816 posts

213 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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I've heard stories of people crashing on track. Then limping out drive a bit out of the track and park in the ditch, claimed they crashed and wait for RAC/AA.

But then I've also heard that AA don't mind picking you up from the track itself confused

Chr1sch

2,592 posts

215 months

Tuesday 7th July 2015
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Last one I did at bedford a Focus ST blew its turbo and the AA turned up, confirmed turbo had blown and then left. They categorically refused to tow it away

sydown

63 posts

231 months

Wednesday 8th July 2015
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Chr1sch said:
Last one I did at bedford a Focus ST blew its turbo and the AA turned up, confirmed turbo had blown and then left. They categorically refused to tow it away
My mate blew the gearbox on his Intergra type R at Bedford and the AA recovered him home, I took out AA cover after speaking to the AA and they confirmed they would pick up from the paddock!!

The T&C's state:

Participation in sporting events
Assistance for vehicles broken down as a result of taking part in any “Motor Sport Event”
including, without limitation, racing, rallying, trials or time-trials or auto test. However, for the
avoidance of doubt, the AA does not consider “Concours d’elegance” events, track test days
for road-legal vehicles or rallies held exclusively on open public highways where participants are
required to comply with the normal rules of the road, to be Motor Sports Events

R1 Indy

4,477 posts

205 months

Wednesday 8th July 2015
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Chr1sch said:
Last one I did at bedford a Focus ST blew its turbo and the AA turned up, confirmed turbo had blown and then left. They categorically refused to tow it away
Should of towed to the main road.


When my S2000 caught fire, i had plenty of offers to tow me to the main road where the RAC picked me up. smile

Thankfully they never questioned where all the fire extinguisher powder came from hehe



Edited by R1 Indy on Wednesday 8th July 13:06

drakart

1,748 posts

232 months

Wednesday 8th July 2015
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When I blew the engine in my Integra at Bedford, I called it Bedford Aerodrome. He picked me up and said, "This doesn't look like an airfield, it looks like a race track. We don't pick up from race tracks, but seeing as I'm here..." laugh

McSam

6,753 posts

197 months

Friday 10th July 2015
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R1 Indy said:
When my S2000 caught fire, i had plenty of offers to tow me to the main road where the RAC picked me up. smile

Thankfully they never questioned where all the fire extinguisher powder came from hehe

Very good hehe

My breakdown cover is with GEM, because they're pretty amazing value and they served us well when the exhaust fell off my mum's Mondeo (only a Ford could do this at eight years old..). But while their policy does not specifically exclude driving on a circuit, it does tick off most any form of competitive or timed driving, and I think I might have some talking to do should I need recovering from inside a circuit.


Zoobeef

6,004 posts

180 months

Friday 10th July 2015
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They would probably class a trackday as practicing racing.

McSam

6,753 posts

197 months

Friday 10th July 2015
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That's what I figured, but it's not really. Most of the days I do are with Javelin and they tend to describe them as "social driving events", which happen to take place on a circuit as that's the most appropriate venue. Nice way to word it.

Let's hope I never have to find out!

V8GEE

151 posts

190 months

Friday 10th July 2015
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ive always said if anything bad were to happen it better be on a track wether it blows up or crash.. theres always a way home some how.