Externally advertised, yet internal candidate chosen...
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As the title. Why does this happen? Over the years of interviews I've had this happen 3 times. I had an interview recently, it went really well, yet to be informed that have chosen an internal candidate.
So why do they bother advertising?
(appoliges, I'm simply a little miffed about it!)
So why do they bother advertising?
(appoliges, I'm simply a little miffed about it!)
Just because a candidate was chosen internally, it doesn't necessarily mean they already had them lined up for the job before they started the process.
Of course it depends on the size of the employer, but if you're looking at a company of size, the chances are the hiring manager won't know who is available internally any more than they would externally. My employer currently has a freeze on external hiring, but looking in the internal job site, there are some positions which do come up and then dissapear within minutes, but there are also some which hang around for months because no suitable internal candidates have presented themselves.
Most recruitment consultants only get paid on results, I believe, so it does the company no harm to advertise externally as well as internally, although if they do it too often, they're going to end up pissing off recruitment consultants, I suppose.
Of course it depends on the size of the employer, but if you're looking at a company of size, the chances are the hiring manager won't know who is available internally any more than they would externally. My employer currently has a freeze on external hiring, but looking in the internal job site, there are some positions which do come up and then dissapear within minutes, but there are also some which hang around for months because no suitable internal candidates have presented themselves.
Most recruitment consultants only get paid on results, I believe, so it does the company no harm to advertise externally as well as internally, although if they do it too often, they're going to end up pissing off recruitment consultants, I suppose.
Jasandjules said:
IIRC there is a legal requirement to advertise a job externally. No requirement of course to recruit externally, so it's a bit of a waste of time and money in my view, but there we go.
No there isn't! As far as I'm aware, the only time there is a legal requirement to advertise a role externally is if you want to employ someone who isn't an EU citizen, at which point you have to prove that you've taken all reasonable steps to find an EU citizen qualified to do the job and been unable to do so.Certainly none of our current vacancies are advertised externally, as we're not recruiting externally outside a few very specialist areas, so what would be the point?
Soovy said:
You have to advertise externally, it's the law. Stupid, but there we are.
Other than when a company wants to hire someone from outside the EU because they can't find an EU citizen with sufficient experience and need to show they've tried, can you please show me specifically what law states that this is the case?Don't say "google it", because I've just tried googling it, and whilst I can find lots of pages saying that jobs don't legally have to be advertised externally, I can't find a single one that says they must be.
Still googling on this....
I've still not found anything that suggests that all job vacancies must be advertised externally by law, however I have found the quote below on the UK Border Agency website
I've still not found anything that suggests that all job vacancies must be advertised externally by law, however I have found the quote below on the UK Border Agency website
UK Border Agency said:
rom next year, all jobs must be advertised to British workers in Jobcentre Plus for four weeks - extended from two weeks - before companies can seek to employ individuals from outside Europe.
As far as I can see, there is no legal requirement whatsoever to advertise a role externally if your internal candidate is an EU citizen. Company practice might dictate that all vacancies be advertised externally, but that's not the same thing as the law doing so.Kermit power said:
Just because a candidate was chosen internally, it doesn't necessarily mean they already had them lined up for the job before they started the process.
Of course it depends on the size of the employer, but if you're looking at a company of size, the chances are the hiring manager won't know who is available internally any more than they would externally. My employer currently has a freeze on external hiring, but looking in the internal job site, there are some positions which do come up and then dissapear within minutes, but there are also some which hang around for months because no suitable internal candidates have presented themselves.
Most recruitment consultants only get paid on results, I believe, so it does the company no harm to advertise externally as well as internally, although if they do it too often, they're going to end up pissing off recruitment consultants, I suppose.
This.Of course it depends on the size of the employer, but if you're looking at a company of size, the chances are the hiring manager won't know who is available internally any more than they would externally. My employer currently has a freeze on external hiring, but looking in the internal job site, there are some positions which do come up and then dissapear within minutes, but there are also some which hang around for months because no suitable internal candidates have presented themselves.
Most recruitment consultants only get paid on results, I believe, so it does the company no harm to advertise externally as well as internally, although if they do it too often, they're going to end up pissing off recruitment consultants, I suppose.
Alternatively, Hiring Manager gets budget = kid in sweetshop and wants to talk to external agents and be taken to Spearmint, The Emirates, Nobu etc etc . 2 weeks later, he realises to land a prime candidate externally, he has to pay agent fee (and in some cases a guarantee to attract someone this time of year) which is paid from his annual comp pool. Suddenly realises less money to go around existing team at year end and cools on the external hire idea. Johnny internal becomes an attractive candidate as he/she ticks 95% of the boxes that Johnny external does - without the additional grief, learning curve and cost. Bobs your mothers brother....
Actually, employment tribunals will look very unfavourably on you if a job has not been advertised INTERNALLY prior offered outside the company. If an employee claims unfair treatment by not being considered for promotion etc. then your defence is lessened if they had no chance to apply and be interviewed.
I'm on the other side of this and find it just as frustrating. One department in my Company in particular always does this, insists on advertising externally everywhere, different job-boards, different printed press and then they always recruit internally, £5k down the pan everytime....
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