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Here is one for you - I dont expect much to come from it but its interesting.
My brother works for a company that is located within the store of a large retailer.
i.e the ratiler has a massive building and my brother works for a company that works with them but is not employed by the big retailer.
Anyway, everyday he has to sign in and out of reception of the big retailer.
Today they had someone come in and work but he did not sign in at reception. Come closing time, my bro and him were the only ones left in their company. The main doors of the retailer had closed so the other guy couldnt exit out of that door. Instead he decided to just leave through the shutters in the area of the store that my bro and he work in. But my bro had to let him out.
Anyway, as my bro was signing out as normal, security for the retailer came up to him and told him to hand in his own ID and not to come in (from tomorrow) til he had spoken to his manager as he had breached their security policy.
Anyway, bro has called his manager and told him what happened, his manager told him to go in tomorrow and work as normal and he will sort it out.
The guy that went out the back will also go in and say it was his own fault for not signing in and going out the back
Out o interest what power does the retailer have over my bro? His employment contract is not with them. I presume they can put pressure on his employers to bump him off? But tahst all they can do.
Can they refuse him access to the building though for breaching their security?
I dunno why the other guy didn't find a member of security to let him out. I presume they coudlnt find anyone/was scared of a telling off/was easier to just go out the back door shutters.
The guy was totally entitled to work their - so i think they are just being a bit over zealous with their rules.
Any thoughts?
My brother works for a company that is located within the store of a large retailer.
i.e the ratiler has a massive building and my brother works for a company that works with them but is not employed by the big retailer.
Anyway, everyday he has to sign in and out of reception of the big retailer.
Today they had someone come in and work but he did not sign in at reception. Come closing time, my bro and him were the only ones left in their company. The main doors of the retailer had closed so the other guy couldnt exit out of that door. Instead he decided to just leave through the shutters in the area of the store that my bro and he work in. But my bro had to let him out.
Anyway, as my bro was signing out as normal, security for the retailer came up to him and told him to hand in his own ID and not to come in (from tomorrow) til he had spoken to his manager as he had breached their security policy.
Anyway, bro has called his manager and told him what happened, his manager told him to go in tomorrow and work as normal and he will sort it out.
The guy that went out the back will also go in and say it was his own fault for not signing in and going out the back
Out o interest what power does the retailer have over my bro? His employment contract is not with them. I presume they can put pressure on his employers to bump him off? But tahst all they can do.
Can they refuse him access to the building though for breaching their security?
I dunno why the other guy didn't find a member of security to let him out. I presume they coudlnt find anyone/was scared of a telling off/was easier to just go out the back door shutters.
The guy was totally entitled to work their - so i think they are just being a bit over zealous with their rules.
Any thoughts?
Edited by Mojooo on Wednesday 27th January 23:14
It does sound like over zealousy. The security guard probably has to say that to cover his own back, but I shouldn't imagine it will be any trouble if he goes in to work tomorrow as per his manager's instructions.
My only caution would be don't try to sneak around security to do this, go in and sign in as normal.
My only caution would be don't try to sneak around security to do this, go in and sign in as normal.
FFS, he has just come back and told me he has been let go.
Basically the security (woman) is a fat cow who seems to like a power trip
She has said that due to his breach of security they will not allow him to work onsite
As the company he works for is like a contracted company they basically have to comply with the retailer (a swedish furnite retailer)
So his managers hands are tied basically.
The security lady is going to write a letter explaining things to my brothers manager. His manager is supporting him but is powerless really.
The security lady also claims that my bro has done this 4 times, but he syas he only has once, so it will be interesting to see what her letter says
He has been with his employers for 5 months only.
I asked him what his employee handbook says but he doesnt know. i am guessing he will have he standard one issued by his company which wont be specific to them working within this larger building, so should the furniture shop have provided him with rules and guidance on security procedures?
basically have they forced him out without making him aware of the rules?
Basically the security (woman) is a fat cow who seems to like a power trip
She has said that due to his breach of security they will not allow him to work onsite
As the company he works for is like a contracted company they basically have to comply with the retailer (a swedish furnite retailer)
So his managers hands are tied basically.
The security lady is going to write a letter explaining things to my brothers manager. His manager is supporting him but is powerless really.
The security lady also claims that my bro has done this 4 times, but he syas he only has once, so it will be interesting to see what her letter says
He has been with his employers for 5 months only.
I asked him what his employee handbook says but he doesnt know. i am guessing he will have he standard one issued by his company which wont be specific to them working within this larger building, so should the furniture shop have provided him with rules and guidance on security procedures?
basically have they forced him out without making him aware of the rules?
I should add, AFAIK he hasn't be sacked yet but effectivley it will be hard for him to go back to work there so he is better of looking elsewhere coz it could take ages to get resolved.
But would be interesting to know if the retailer can be held liable for something even though they are not his employers but have caused him to be sacked. If they are employing his ocmpany is there somesort of linked employment rights perhaps?
But would be interesting to know if the retailer can be held liable for something even though they are not his employers but have caused him to be sacked. If they are employing his ocmpany is there somesort of linked employment rights perhaps?
Woah. That's a b
d. Sorry to hear that.
I would imagine any employees handbook will say something like "comply with security requirements at all times." But to be sacked for a one off minor violation, without a written warning. If it's as you say then it does sound like unfair dismissal.
[i]IF[i] it's as you say. Without meaning to be rude, it does sound like a situation that could have more to it than your brother's version of events thus far.
d. Sorry to hear that.I would imagine any employees handbook will say something like "comply with security requirements at all times." But to be sacked for a one off minor violation, without a written warning. If it's as you say then it does sound like unfair dismissal.
[i]IF[i] it's as you say. Without meaning to be rude, it does sound like a situation that could have more to it than your brother's version of events thus far.
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