Some help needed for a young guy
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I've asked advice for myself on here before and found it useful so this time I ask some for my 18 year old brother.
Low down is this, 18, has 10 a-c GCSE's (albeit mostly C's) got a distinction in some sport science course at college (its equal to a couple of a-levels or something) and at current he is working 4 days a week earning £40 per day. I'll go into a bit more detail about this later on...
However, he see's this girl who is from a poor background, isn't very clever, and is a hairdressing aprentice, she's earning £100 per week and will be for another 18 months till she is qaulified, sounds like slavery to me but hey.
Now what I am worried about is that he is going to slip into her familys way and end up a messer with nothing to his name and a dead end all due to not taking the bull by the horns early on.
He was going to take a year out working then apply for uni next year, but it now seems that he has given up on that idea and is going to stay working. His job is basically assembling and building (including soldering etc) chandeliers, the company is new, and is a one man band and my brother. The guy has said he wants to grow the business, and eventually wants my brother to do all the building and assembly giving him time to concentrate on design. These lights are purchased by a company in London who mark them up and sell them on, they're very expensive, £5k+, he sells only to this one company at the minute untill he builds his name.
Now the guy seems ok, he has promised my brother a payrise although not sure what to (anything is better than £40 per day 4 days a week), and has given him more responsiblity. And my brother seems to have taken this in his stride and is being very grown up about it, the bloke isn't there at the minute he is on holiday, my brother is going down there to take deliveries and check things are in place etc. I'm quite impressed.
However, he doesn't have a contract and obviously is earning a pittance at the minute, I suspect reason for this is because the guy is saying to the tax man that he works two days a week as opposed to 4, so shoud he be pushing for a proper contract?
So I guess I get to my point, does he stick this out? Or is there somewhere proper he can take the skills he has to learn a trade, or this trade but with a proper company that will train and offer a recognised career route, as opposed to one man band? I just don't want to see him get stuck in a rut because if he stays with this girl the money they will earn will not be enough to move out of home, and they'll just turn into what so many people do, small town folk who haven't realised there is a whole world of oppurtunity out there if they only just try!
Low down is this, 18, has 10 a-c GCSE's (albeit mostly C's) got a distinction in some sport science course at college (its equal to a couple of a-levels or something) and at current he is working 4 days a week earning £40 per day. I'll go into a bit more detail about this later on...
However, he see's this girl who is from a poor background, isn't very clever, and is a hairdressing aprentice, she's earning £100 per week and will be for another 18 months till she is qaulified, sounds like slavery to me but hey.
Now what I am worried about is that he is going to slip into her familys way and end up a messer with nothing to his name and a dead end all due to not taking the bull by the horns early on.
He was going to take a year out working then apply for uni next year, but it now seems that he has given up on that idea and is going to stay working. His job is basically assembling and building (including soldering etc) chandeliers, the company is new, and is a one man band and my brother. The guy has said he wants to grow the business, and eventually wants my brother to do all the building and assembly giving him time to concentrate on design. These lights are purchased by a company in London who mark them up and sell them on, they're very expensive, £5k+, he sells only to this one company at the minute untill he builds his name.
Now the guy seems ok, he has promised my brother a payrise although not sure what to (anything is better than £40 per day 4 days a week), and has given him more responsiblity. And my brother seems to have taken this in his stride and is being very grown up about it, the bloke isn't there at the minute he is on holiday, my brother is going down there to take deliveries and check things are in place etc. I'm quite impressed.
However, he doesn't have a contract and obviously is earning a pittance at the minute, I suspect reason for this is because the guy is saying to the tax man that he works two days a week as opposed to 4, so shoud he be pushing for a proper contract?
So I guess I get to my point, does he stick this out? Or is there somewhere proper he can take the skills he has to learn a trade, or this trade but with a proper company that will train and offer a recognised career route, as opposed to one man band? I just don't want to see him get stuck in a rut because if he stays with this girl the money they will earn will not be enough to move out of home, and they'll just turn into what so many people do, small town folk who haven't realised there is a whole world of oppurtunity out there if they only just try!
Excuse me... You dont like the girl cause she is poor???
WTF dude... It has nothing to do with you if she is poor, rich, clever, stupid, pretty or a swamp donkey... If he is happy and it is not a destructive relationship then what the hell has it to do with you?
Stop being such a snob and let him make his own mistakes if he wants to relationship wise.
On the job front, get him to talk with the guy about a contract and getting it made offical.
£5 an hour and is that including NI, PAYE and pension or is it cash in hand?
Someone is going to get screw if the contract is not wrote up and make sure that the guy doesnt go to £5.93 and say that is the pay rise as that is the new minimum wage as of October.
WTF dude... It has nothing to do with you if she is poor, rich, clever, stupid, pretty or a swamp donkey... If he is happy and it is not a destructive relationship then what the hell has it to do with you?
Stop being such a snob and let him make his own mistakes if he wants to relationship wise.
On the job front, get him to talk with the guy about a contract and getting it made offical.
£5 an hour and is that including NI, PAYE and pension or is it cash in hand?
Someone is going to get screw if the contract is not wrote up and make sure that the guy doesnt go to £5.93 and say that is the pay rise as that is the new minimum wage as of October.
I don't dislike her at all. I'm just seeing him throw lots away to suit a girl that in all honesty is nowhere near good enough for him, and I doubt he'll be with in a years time.
Regarding the pay, he is currently on a daily rate of £40, and the guy is only putting through two offical days to save on tax etc.
So shall I tell him to push for a contract, as at the minute as you say he's working less than min wage...
Regarding the pay, he is currently on a daily rate of £40, and the guy is only putting through two offical days to save on tax etc.
So shall I tell him to push for a contract, as at the minute as you say he's working less than min wage...
okgo said:
I don't dislike her at all. I'm just seeing him throw lots away to suit a girl that in all honesty is nowhere near good enough for him, and I doubt he'll be with in a years time.
Regarding the pay, he is currently on a daily rate of £40, and the guy is only putting through two offical days to save on tax etc.
So shall I tell him to push for a contract, as at the minute as you say he's working less than min wage...
Talk with him and find out what he is doing and who is paying what, if its cash in hand, etc...Regarding the pay, he is currently on a daily rate of £40, and the guy is only putting through two offical days to save on tax etc.
So shall I tell him to push for a contract, as at the minute as you say he's working less than min wage...
What are the details of employment (if its cash in hand who is doing NI Credits?) he could get done for not declaring stuff or knowing that his boss is not...
Get the answers for what you would need to know if you were him is the easier answer...
Get him to discuss the possibility of a contract, get him to drop it in the conversation (not a demand) but a query as to whether (since its declared 2 day a week on tax) can he have a contract for it as he needs to sort out his own tax/NI...
get him to make up some BS if he has too, like you have a accountant/tax mate who tore into him when he found out and advised him to get it official otherwise they can both be done... etc!!
Depends on how this bloke runs his business, but the end of the day there will be only one loser if he doesnt do something.
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