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Sorry if this has been covered recently but i couldn't find any recent threads on this. I've had many M cars over the years and was looking to buy something to enjoy that won't lose much money and might even gain some.
The Z3MC's seem to have shot up for low milage S54 engined cars hence i started looking at the 4's.
What are peoples thoughts on the future of the Z4MC values? I see that some low mile cars are now starting to make high 30's and 40's but there are still a plethora of seemingly good cars in the late teens and early 20's.
To me, a rise in value is looking very much on the cards soon, partly due to the rapid rise of the Z3MC but also all M cars of a certain vintage seem to be riding the wave.
Many will have more experience than me so I'd be interested to hear what you think? I have driven a couple over the years and remember them to be quite a hardcore experience even compared to my GT4, are they generally liked?
I spoke to Munch Legends and they said that in memory of recent years, they haven't had even one for sale as people are only asking for Z3MC, E30 M3's and E46 CSL's so they do nothing with the Z4MC which surprises me?
The Z3MC's seem to have shot up for low milage S54 engined cars hence i started looking at the 4's.
What are peoples thoughts on the future of the Z4MC values? I see that some low mile cars are now starting to make high 30's and 40's but there are still a plethora of seemingly good cars in the late teens and early 20's.
To me, a rise in value is looking very much on the cards soon, partly due to the rapid rise of the Z3MC but also all M cars of a certain vintage seem to be riding the wave.
Many will have more experience than me so I'd be interested to hear what you think? I have driven a couple over the years and remember them to be quite a hardcore experience even compared to my GT4, are they generally liked?
I spoke to Munch Legends and they said that in memory of recent years, they haven't had even one for sale as people are only asking for Z3MC, E30 M3's and E46 CSL's so they do nothing with the Z4MC which surprises me?
I've been watching values of 4MC's and Roadsters for about 3-years now. It would seem they have both stopped declining for the good tidy sensible mileage cars and actually climbed slightly on an annual basis. I've actually just bought a Roadster off a friend who paid 15k for it 3-years ago for what he paid. He touted it about through the specialists and was offered 14.5k as a trade buy. It is a fully serviced 36k miles car so at the lower end of the mileage spectrum and will continue to only do 3-4k miles a year. (SORN over winter)
Will it increase in value? Who knows! Will I loose money at 20%, 30% 40% over a 3-5 year period? Probably not if kept serviced and on top of things. Seeing where manufactures are going with Turbo and 'Flappy Paddle' cars I would guess the S54 engine and manual combo will always appeal to a certain type of buyer in the long term.
If I'm wrong it doesn't matter because I love the car to bits and can't think of anything else I could buy that does what it does for 15K.
Will it increase in value? Who knows! Will I loose money at 20%, 30% 40% over a 3-5 year period? Probably not if kept serviced and on top of things. Seeing where manufactures are going with Turbo and 'Flappy Paddle' cars I would guess the S54 engine and manual combo will always appeal to a certain type of buyer in the long term.
If I'm wrong it doesn't matter because I love the car to bits and can't think of anything else I could buy that does what it does for 15K.
I recently bought a roadster - I think values will increase, just not sure how quickly. I agree the Z3M has taken a bit of a hockey stick price curve. Would be interesting to see actual sold values though.
Z4M coupe I imagine would increase more so than the roadster.
The way I'm thinking about it is if I can get away with running it for £1/2k/year including depreciation I'd be happy - especially as it's one of those realistic aspirational cara for me. If it costs more then so be it!
Z4M coupe I imagine would increase more so than the roadster.
The way I'm thinking about it is if I can get away with running it for £1/2k/year including depreciation I'd be happy - especially as it's one of those realistic aspirational cara for me. If it costs more then so be it!
Probably a little they have definitely firmed up a few years ago.
It's hard to say I suppose, remember not long ago e30 m3s were 6K, even e46 m3 seemed to have firmed up which surprises me due to the sheer volume built.
Personally I have a z4mc I got it 2 years ago and think it's hilarious. Such a fun and good car to drive.
The real issue I have currently is that I drove the new lotus exige at the weekend, I was offered a horrible trade in on the car so I did not sign on the spot. I came home and put it up for sale privately.
Now I have thought about it and used the BMW a little more I'm not too sure I want the change.
Who knows right now, maybe I will, maybe I won't. But either way I don't see me losing anything from when I bought it.
There are a handful for sale right now, the question is are they selling? There are some pretty ridiculous asking prices.
It's hard to say I suppose, remember not long ago e30 m3s were 6K, even e46 m3 seemed to have firmed up which surprises me due to the sheer volume built.
Personally I have a z4mc I got it 2 years ago and think it's hilarious. Such a fun and good car to drive.
The real issue I have currently is that I drove the new lotus exige at the weekend, I was offered a horrible trade in on the car so I did not sign on the spot. I came home and put it up for sale privately.
Now I have thought about it and used the BMW a little more I'm not too sure I want the change.
Who knows right now, maybe I will, maybe I won't. But either way I don't see me losing anything from when I bought it.
There are a handful for sale right now, the question is are they selling? There are some pretty ridiculous asking prices.
shibby! said:
Probably a little they have definitely firmed up a few years ago.
It's hard to say I suppose, remember not long ago e30 m3s were 6K, even e46 m3 seemed to have firmed up which surprises me due to the sheer volume built.
Personally I have a z4mc I got it 2 years ago and think it's hilarious. Such a fun and good car to drive.
The real issue I have currently is that I drove the new lotus exige at the weekend, I was offered a horrible trade in on the car so I did not sign on the spot. I came home and put it up for sale privately.
Now I have thought about it and used the BMW a little more I'm not too sure I want the change.
Who knows right now, maybe I will, maybe I won't. But either way I don't see me losing anything from when I bought it.
There are a handful for sale right now, the question is are they selling? There are some pretty ridiculous asking prices.
Yes into the 30's and 40's now albeit for very low mileage cars. Your Z4MC should eat no grass whereas an Exile will lose quite a bit over say 3 years if bought new. i think they're way too expensive new for what they are.It's hard to say I suppose, remember not long ago e30 m3s were 6K, even e46 m3 seemed to have firmed up which surprises me due to the sheer volume built.
Personally I have a z4mc I got it 2 years ago and think it's hilarious. Such a fun and good car to drive.
The real issue I have currently is that I drove the new lotus exige at the weekend, I was offered a horrible trade in on the car so I did not sign on the spot. I came home and put it up for sale privately.
Now I have thought about it and used the BMW a little more I'm not too sure I want the change.
Who knows right now, maybe I will, maybe I won't. But either way I don't see me losing anything from when I bought it.
There are a handful for sale right now, the question is are they selling? There are some pretty ridiculous asking prices.
I agree that a coupe will increase more than a roadster and taking into account that they can be expensive to keep but my thoughts echo those of posts above whereas a manual old school hotrod like this should be a sound investment over the next 5-10 years if kept in top condition?
Fokker said:
Yes into the 30's and 40's now albeit for very low mileage cars. Your Z4MC should eat no grass whereas an Exile will lose quite a bit over say 3 years if bought new. i think they're way too expensive new for what they are.
I agree that a coupe will increase more than a roadster and taking into account that they can be expensive to keep but my thoughts echo those of posts above whereas a manual old school hotrod like this should be a sound investment over the next 5-10 years if kept in top condition?
Your right it shouldnt lose anything right now, who knows where they will go. I suppose the issue comes if they gain too much, the cease to be a car for enjoyment and turn into an investment.I agree that a coupe will increase more than a roadster and taking into account that they can be expensive to keep but my thoughts echo those of posts above whereas a manual old school hotrod like this should be a sound investment over the next 5-10 years if kept in top condition?
LOOAAADSSSS of E30 M3's and E36 for that matter were bought up for peanuts as cheap cars for the track.... now people are just speculating with them and holding them in a garage.
The Exige isnt too bad with losing too much value, just look at the prices of 2008 cars with the right options ticked. They were 45k new i think?.... Also remember that the Z4MC was also 45kish new, someone needs to get them new or there wouldnt be any to buy!
Will it be an investment? maybe. it means you need not drive it though to keep the miles down. It seems a shame to me really. But it does mean tieing down to a particular car for 5-10 years which takes up space in your garage i guess.
Too many variables i think, need a crystal ball!
nwates said:
Not a great drivers car like the CSL tho
yeah right. One's got a proper gearbox, one hasn't. That alone is enough for me, but aside from that having had the luck to drive both extensively I can categorically say that your statement is total bulls
t, have you actually driven both? The CSL is fantastic, the Z4MC on some decent tyres is also. shibby! said:
Fokker said:
Yes into the 30's and 40's now albeit for very low mileage cars. Your Z4MC should eat no grass whereas an Exile will lose quite a bit over say 3 years if bought new. i think they're way too expensive new for what they are.
I agree that a coupe will increase more than a roadster and taking into account that they can be expensive to keep but my thoughts echo those of posts above whereas a manual old school hotrod like this should be a sound investment over the next 5-10 years if kept in top condition?
Your right it shouldnt lose anything right now, who knows where they will go. I suppose the issue comes if they gain too much, the cease to be a car for enjoyment and turn into an investment.I agree that a coupe will increase more than a roadster and taking into account that they can be expensive to keep but my thoughts echo those of posts above whereas a manual old school hotrod like this should be a sound investment over the next 5-10 years if kept in top condition?
LOOAAADSSSS of E30 M3's and E36 for that matter were bought up for peanuts as cheap cars for the track.... now people are just speculating with them and holding them in a garage.
The Exige isnt too bad with losing too much value, just look at the prices of 2008 cars with the right options ticked. They were 45k new i think?.... Also remember that the Z4MC was also 45kish new, someone needs to get them new or there wouldnt be any to buy!
Will it be an investment? maybe. it means you need not drive it though to keep the miles down. It seems a shame to me really. But it does mean tieing down to a particular car for 5-10 years which takes up space in your garage i guess.
Too many variables i think, need a crystal ball!
Think there were about 1000 produced, would be interested to see what that number is excluding other RHD countries and the ones that have ended up written off.
The only real issue for me is that I bought it before I became a dad, so the only reason it might get replaced is for something with a couple of small seats in the back so we can all make use of it together.
I think i key point to why the Z3MC has increased so dramatically is because it had a unique design i.e. no other variants were available in that guise (that i know of) if there are then they are certainly very rare.
The Z4MC had many variants and looked just like them too...
IMO the Z4M's will just very slowly rise maybe for next 5-10 years and then maybe the very low mileage ones will be worth decent money
The Z4MC had many variants and looked just like them too...
IMO the Z4M's will just very slowly rise maybe for next 5-10 years and then maybe the very low mileage ones will be worth decent money
MOTK said:
yeah right. One's got a proper gearbox, one hasn't. That alone is enough for me, but aside from that having had the luck to drive both extensively I can categorically say that your statement is total bullst, have you actually driven both? The CSL is fantastic, the Z4MC on some decent tyres is also.
Driven both no comparison for me CSL is one the best handling cars out there . I have owned 3 already . t, have you actually driven both? The CSL is fantastic, the Z4MC on some decent tyres is also. But each to his own
I've previosuly had an S54 Z3MR and now an S54 Z4MR and the difference is really night and day in terms of driving experience .
Given another 10 years no doubt the roadster and coupe will both become modern classics but only those will low miles and full SH etc
They tend to hold their vlaue even now so in that regard aside from maintaining a high performance M car they represent failry cheap depreciation proof fun as a 2nd car -though not as a daily runner IMHO . Also bear in mind these were the last of the legendary S54s so that will surely add to their cachet in the long run .
A decent coupe will set you back circa 16-18K and a decent roadster about 13-15K according to miles and SH etc . Reckon that represents decent bang for buck .
Given another 10 years no doubt the roadster and coupe will both become modern classics but only those will low miles and full SH etc
They tend to hold their vlaue even now so in that regard aside from maintaining a high performance M car they represent failry cheap depreciation proof fun as a 2nd car -though not as a daily runner IMHO . Also bear in mind these were the last of the legendary S54s so that will surely add to their cachet in the long run .
A decent coupe will set you back circa 16-18K and a decent roadster about 13-15K according to miles and SH etc . Reckon that represents decent bang for buck .
likesachange said:
The Z4MC had many variants and looked just like them too...
How many is 'many'? As I only know of 2 real variations - LHD or RHD!If you mean coupes, and engines (rather than specifically the Z4MC), then there's only the 3.2 M or the 3.0 non-M - i.e. exactly the same number of variations as the Z3.
Now if you want to include Z4 roadsters, then yes, there are many versions - including an Alpina one. But that's no different to the Z3, so don't know where your post is going!
I didn't buy mine as an investment, and is a daily driver covering over 20k miles a year - currently on 150k miles. Been more reliable than my e34 M5 was on the same type of driving, but costs about half as much to run.
I think the values are up a little on 3 years ago, there are a few up at silly money, but I''m happy to be in a car that isn't overtly losing any value! (Z4MR with 39k). As ever with performance cars, up a bit in the summer, down a bit in the winter. The coupe is more likely to retain / gain value (to a point) than the roadster in my opinion, but I still like my drop top
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