Charmex Swiss Military Watches?
Charmex Swiss Military Watches?
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Cooky

Original Poster:

4,955 posts

261 months

Thursday 17th March 2011
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Me Likey Likey Lots and under £350

Anyone had/know these?



Seems a nice alternative to the stylish Seiko Monsters, Anyone know much about Charmex?, they claim to be quite special and some models water resistant to 20,000ft

nice catalogue here
http://issuu.com/charmex.com/docs/swissmilitary_fl...

RemainAllHoof

79,471 posts

306 months

Thursday 17th March 2011
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Am guessing it has a Valjoux 7750 movement? Probably has an RRP of at least £500. Not sure I trust someone to build a watch who also produces toilet tissue. Oh, Charmex.

LukeBird

17,170 posts

233 months

Thursday 17th March 2011
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RemainAllHoof said:
Am guessing it has a Valjoux 7750 movement?
I would have thought the one pictured would be a quartz judging by the low jewel count and the subdial layout?

CommanderJameson

22,096 posts

250 months

Thursday 17th March 2011
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LukeBird said:
RemainAllHoof said:
Am guessing it has a Valjoux 7750 movement?
I would have thought the one pictured would be a quartz judging by the low jewel count and the subdial layout?
The 7750 has about 25 jewels for a chrono, iirc.

RemainAllHoof

79,471 posts

306 months

Thursday 17th March 2011
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LukeBird said:
I would have thought the one pictured would be a quartz judging by the low jewel count and the subdial layout?
I cannae tell from the angle tbh. Normally, the quartz movement have the sub-dials it equally spaced around the centre.

LukeBird

17,170 posts

233 months

Thursday 17th March 2011
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CommanderJameson said:
The 7750 has about 25 jewels for a chrono, iirc.
Yeah that's what I thought.

RemainAllHoof said:
I cannae tell from the angle tbh. Normally, the quartz movement have the sub-dials it equally spaced around the centre.
I just meant the fact the seconds counter is at 3 o'clock rather than the more normal 9 o'clock on a 7750-based Chrono.

RemainAllHoof

79,471 posts

306 months

Thursday 17th March 2011
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LukeBird said:
I just meant the fact the seconds counter is at 3 o'clock rather than the more normal 9 o'clock on a 7750-based Chrono.
Don't be fooled by the alignment of hands, sub-dials and date. That can all be changed. However, more relevantly, the seconds counter should be in the "middle" so it isn't a 7750.

Ikemi

8,610 posts

229 months

Thursday 17th March 2011
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LukeBird said:
CommanderJameson said:
The 7750 has about 25 jewels for a chrono, iirc.
Yeah that's what I thought.
yes

The watch in the OP's post is powered by a Ronda "STARTECH" Caliber 5030.D quartz movement ...

LukeBird

17,170 posts

233 months

Thursday 17th March 2011
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RemainAllHoof said:
LukeBird said:
I just meant the fact the seconds counter is at 3 o'clock rather than the more normal 9 o'clock on a 7750-based Chrono.
Don't be fooled by the alignment of hands, sub-dials and date. That can all be changed. However, more relevantly, the seconds counter should be in the "middle" so it isn't a 7750.
Yeah I'm aware of using a few cogs to switch the subdials about, although I've never seen that done on any watches other than fakes to make Daytona reps or whatever.
Has anyone from a 'reputable' wink company modded a 7750 to move the dials around?

RemainAllHoof

79,471 posts

306 months

Thursday 17th March 2011
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LukeBird said:
Yeah I'm aware of using a few cogs to switch the subdials about, although I've never seen that done on any watches other than fakes to make Daytona reps or whatever.
Has anyone from a 'reputable' wink company modded a 7750 to move the dials around?
I didn't mean that. I meant that you could design a dial so that the sub-dials are in a different position eg 9-6-3 with the date at "4.30", and then have the hands pointing to the original 3 to designate midnight.

LukeBird

17,170 posts

233 months

Thursday 17th March 2011
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Understood!
Sorry wrong end of the stick by me there! smile

sevenseven

16 posts

181 months

Friday 18th March 2011
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LukeBird said:
Understood!
Sorry wrong end of the stick by me there! smile
everyone makes mistakes. It is not necessary for u to say sorry.

LukeBird

17,170 posts

233 months

Friday 18th March 2011
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sevenseven said:
LukeBird said:
Understood!
Sorry wrong end of the stick by me there! smile
everyone makes mistakes. It is not necessary for u to say sorry.
True, but I was talking about a different point and hence came across as a fool! wink

Welcome as well! wavey

Easty-5

1,423 posts

214 months

Friday 18th March 2011
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Can you get a new watch with a chrono Valjoux 7750 for less than £350?

RemainAllHoof

79,471 posts

306 months

Friday 18th March 2011
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sevenseven said:
LukeBird said:
Understood!
Sorry wrong end of the stick by me there! smile
everyone makes mistakes. It is not necessary for u to say sorry.
Indeed, you're right. But I was hoping he would become my bh so thanks for ruining things. silly

RemainAllHoof

79,471 posts

306 months

Friday 18th March 2011
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Easty-5 said:
Can you get a new watch with a chrono Valjoux 7750 for less than £350?
If I'd had my brain in gear, that would be the obvious way of deciding if it were a 7750!

Easty-5

1,423 posts

214 months

Friday 18th March 2011
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It's Friday, we can let you off. smile

RemainAllHoof

79,471 posts

306 months

Friday 18th March 2011
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Easty-5 said:
It's Friday, we can let you off. smile
More to the point, I posted at 7.20am as I was up for the courier (who finally showed at 6.40pm!!!) and my business means I normally work afternoons and evenings so I was in booting up mode.

Ikemi

8,610 posts

229 months

Friday 18th March 2011
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Easty-5 said:
Can you get a new watch with a chrono Valjoux 7750 for less than £350?
Hamilton watches are probably the best bet in finding the cheapest watch with a 7750 movement, but it'll still be a lot more than £350 smile

andy_s

19,816 posts

283 months

Friday 18th March 2011
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Well, you asked so...

For me, personally, I'd criticise it for these points -

The bezel - has no minute divisions making it unsuitable for serious use. (Perhaps even off DIN/ISO?)
The tachy - why is it aligned to 0 at 6 o'clock, also no markers that would be of any use.
I'm not keen on the over designed crown guard, can the chrono be operated underwater? Can it be read - it doesn't look too legible to be honest.

Stuff like this makes me think they aren't as serious as they say they are with this particular 'elite frogman' model, although they're not complete doofuses as can be seen from their 22,000ft model which whilst being massive, at least shows some sort of technical ability beyond sticking a quartz movement into a pretty (or not) case.

Guys that don't make their own movements or at least improve on what's given to them by whoever really have no excuse for not designing competent watches (dial, handset, markers, eye-ergonomics & case technology) - it's the only thing they have to do, after all - what's their USP otherwise confused ?

Just my etc...

Edited by andy_s on Friday 18th March 11:57