Concorde's Last Flight out of JFK
Discussion
This just popped up on my Recommended For You list on YouTube.
It's quite evocative if you haven't seen it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1wHbLWSvlo
It's quite evocative if you haven't seen it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1wHbLWSvlo
SamHH said:
Hyperion said:
Why oh why can't they keep a couple flying for the air show circuit - such a shame we'll never see it fly again 
Because of the massive expense I would have thought? Who are the "they" who would be willing to shell out for it?Won't happen.
Can't happen.
They might as well ask for Saturn Vs to be put back into operation.
Eric Mc said:
SamHH said:
Hyperion said:
Why oh why can't they keep a couple flying for the air show circuit - such a shame we'll never see it fly again
Because of the massive expense I would have thought? Who are the "they" who would be willing to shell out for it?Won't happen.
Can't happen.
They might as well ask for Saturn Vs to be put back into operation.
I read somewhere that NASA still have all the plans for the Saturn V's
Aside from tooling, nothing in theory to stop it being produced again except cost.
Same for Concorde.....but you would have a very expensive decoration that could not legally fly.
The Concorde was doomed from the 1970's - had the US not gone all USA USA and bought some of them, rather than enter into a ridiculous SST Mach 3 SST program that would only save 25 mins or so (!) or at least welcomed them into the US, then more would likely have been sold.
The oil crisis played a part too.
Last but not least, the inability to go supersonic over land dramatically reduces where it can be used when you take the range into account.
Aside from tooling, nothing in theory to stop it being produced again except cost.
Same for Concorde.....but you would have a very expensive decoration that could not legally fly.
The Concorde was doomed from the 1970's - had the US not gone all USA USA and bought some of them, rather than enter into a ridiculous SST Mach 3 SST program that would only save 25 mins or so (!) or at least welcomed them into the US, then more would likely have been sold.
The oil crisis played a part too.
Last but not least, the inability to go supersonic over land dramatically reduces where it can be used when you take the range into account.
AndrewW-G said:
Eric, perhaps you can throw some light on comments made by Richard Branson in one of his books, that BA scrapped the Concorde's when it was possible for them to be kept in flight and did so to prevent Virgin getting hold of them?
Hot air from Branson - exploiting another opportunity to take a pot-shot at his old adversary. He could always have asked Air France for one of their's.XB70 said:
I read somewhere that NASA still have all the plans for the Saturn V's
Aside from tooling, nothing in theory to stop it being produced again except cost.
Same for Concorde.....but you would have a very expensive decoration that could not legally fly.
The Concorde was doomed from the 1970's - had the US not gone all USA USA and bought some of them, rather than enter into a ridiculous SST Mach 3 SST program that would only save 25 mins or so (!) or at least welcomed them into the US, then more would likely have been sold.
The oil crisis played a part too.
Last but not least, the inability to go supersonic over land dramatically reduces where it can be used when you take the range into account.
There are no blue-prints for the Saturn V - there never were. The Saturn V was designed in sections/stages by different contractors. They had plans for their separate pieces and there would have been close liaising between them to make sure that all stages "interfaced" correctly. However, trying to pull together all the drawings and schematics that once existed for the rocket would be nigh on impossible now. Some of the companies that built the components of the Saturn V no longer exist, or have been through various mergers and takeovers over the past 40 odd years since the Saturn was being designed.Aside from tooling, nothing in theory to stop it being produced again except cost.
Same for Concorde.....but you would have a very expensive decoration that could not legally fly.
The Concorde was doomed from the 1970's - had the US not gone all USA USA and bought some of them, rather than enter into a ridiculous SST Mach 3 SST program that would only save 25 mins or so (!) or at least welcomed them into the US, then more would likely have been sold.
The oil crisis played a part too.
Last but not least, the inability to go supersonic over land dramatically reduces where it can be used when you take the range into account.
Eric Mc said:
XB70 said:
I read somewhere that NASA still have all the plans for the Saturn V's
Aside from tooling, nothing in theory to stop it being produced again except cost.
Same for Concorde.....but you would have a very expensive decoration that could not legally fly.
The Concorde was doomed from the 1970's - had the US not gone all USA USA and bought some of them, rather than enter into a ridiculous SST Mach 3 SST program that would only save 25 mins or so (!) or at least welcomed them into the US, then more would likely have been sold.
The oil crisis played a part too.
Last but not least, the inability to go supersonic over land dramatically reduces where it can be used when you take the range into account.
There are no blue-prints for the Saturn V - there never were. The Saturn V was designed in sections/stages by different contractors. They had plans for their separate pieces and there would have been close liaising between them to make sure that all stages "interfaced" correctly. However, trying to pull together all the drawings and schematics that once existed for the rocket would be nigh on impossible now. Some of the companies that built the components of the Saturn V no longer exist, or have been through various mergers and takeovers over the past 40 odd years since the Saturn was being designed.Aside from tooling, nothing in theory to stop it being produced again except cost.
Same for Concorde.....but you would have a very expensive decoration that could not legally fly.
The Concorde was doomed from the 1970's - had the US not gone all USA USA and bought some of them, rather than enter into a ridiculous SST Mach 3 SST program that would only save 25 mins or so (!) or at least welcomed them into the US, then more would likely have been sold.
The oil crisis played a part too.
Last but not least, the inability to go supersonic over land dramatically reduces where it can be used when you take the range into account.
A quick Google on the subject returns this:
"Despite a widespread belief to the contrary, the Saturn V blueprints
have not been lost. They are kept at Marshall Space Flight Center on
microfilm. The Federal Archives in East Point, GA also has 2900 cubic
feet of Saturn documents. Rocketdyne has in its archives dozens of
volumes from its Knowledge Retention Program. This effort was initiated
in the late '60s to document every facet of F-1 and J-2 engine
production to assist in any future re-start.
The problem in re-creating the Saturn V is not finding the drawings, it
is finding vendors who can supply mid-1960's vintage hardware (like
guidance system components), and the fact that the launch pads and VAB
have been converted to Space Shuttle use, so you have no place to launch
from."
Note it doesn't say "the non-existant Saturn V blueprints"
Edited by dr_gn on Sunday 26th July 23:47
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