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Sorry guys I know this happens literally every 30 minutes but I'm just stumped.
I'm doing up the lounge and would like to put a new TV on the wall within the chimney alcove. I've had a 40" Samsung LED for about 8 years and haven't kept up to speed with TVS. A few Things I've got to consider; I've got a max width for a TV of 115cm so I think that only gets me a 49", the lounge is south facing and gets the sun most of day so I have to keep the curtains closed most of the time at the minute and not sure if any technology can fix that, I'm wanting to mount it on the wall with the wires hidden behind plaster so ideally the less wires the better and finally I'm planning on putting a bose soundbar underneath it (sorry I know people don't like bose but I have a speaker already and don't fancy changing that as well). My budget is around £800 and I don't know if that gets anything so would be guided into something more expensive if it would be worth it.
Can anyone help me pick something out because I'm in over my head a bit.
Thanks!
I'm doing up the lounge and would like to put a new TV on the wall within the chimney alcove. I've had a 40" Samsung LED for about 8 years and haven't kept up to speed with TVS. A few Things I've got to consider; I've got a max width for a TV of 115cm so I think that only gets me a 49", the lounge is south facing and gets the sun most of day so I have to keep the curtains closed most of the time at the minute and not sure if any technology can fix that, I'm wanting to mount it on the wall with the wires hidden behind plaster so ideally the less wires the better and finally I'm planning on putting a bose soundbar underneath it (sorry I know people don't like bose but I have a speaker already and don't fancy changing that as well). My budget is around £800 and I don't know if that gets anything so would be guided into something more expensive if it would be worth it.
Can anyone help me pick something out because I'm in over my head a bit.
Thanks!
t and very slow, so much so I wouldn't buy one, but others seem to accept it.Thanks I've been looking online and have come across this Samsung. Admittedly out of budget but if needs must
https://www.johnlewis.com/samsung-qe49q6fn-2018-ql...
https://www.johnlewis.com/samsung-qe49q6fn-2018-ql...
Samsungs tend to have a separate box to plug everything into and then only 2 wires leading to the TV itself. If cabling is a concern then this might be a plus for you.
With respect to picture quality everyone has their own preferences and you're really going to need to audition them to see which you prefer. All TVs have their pros & cons.
Sony's use the android system which gives better availability for apps but can be a bit slow and cumbersome to operate. Android functionality can be added with a cheap box or dongle to any TV.
Technically the Samsung of the two mentioned should be better as it supports HDR10+ which is a Dolby vision type alternative however I wouldn't buy a TV at the moment without Dolby vision support or that isn't premium certified. We don't know which system is going to win out for HDR source material. Unless you're desperate now I'd wait until black Friday as TVs are generally highly discounted and hopefully you'll be able to budget for an upgraded model.
Also, don't be swayed by motion enhancers and the like. I've never seen a toy like that do anything other than ruin a good picture. The first thing to do when you unbox the telly is switch all of those features off.
With respect to picture quality everyone has their own preferences and you're really going to need to audition them to see which you prefer. All TVs have their pros & cons.
Sony's use the android system which gives better availability for apps but can be a bit slow and cumbersome to operate. Android functionality can be added with a cheap box or dongle to any TV.
Technically the Samsung of the two mentioned should be better as it supports HDR10+ which is a Dolby vision type alternative however I wouldn't buy a TV at the moment without Dolby vision support or that isn't premium certified. We don't know which system is going to win out for HDR source material. Unless you're desperate now I'd wait until black Friday as TVs are generally highly discounted and hopefully you'll be able to budget for an upgraded model.
Also, don't be swayed by motion enhancers and the like. I've never seen a toy like that do anything other than ruin a good picture. The first thing to do when you unbox the telly is switch all of those features off.
hornmeister said:
Sony's use the android system which gives better availability for apps but can be a bit slow and cumbersome to operate. Android functionality can be added with a cheap box or dongle to any TV.
I'm sure they'll get it right eventually but their Android TV/YouView effort is pretty awful, and significantly compounded by the underpowered processor. The fact that you can't have PVR functionality at the same time as access to ITV/C4 catch-up services is a particular irritation for me, and the lack of NowTV. Conversely, if you don't mind the weaknesses and your usage suits it's strengths then it's the one to have.I wasn't saying don't buy a Samsung, but the one linked to is no where near as good as the Sony.
Also, Sony do image processing very well, I always turn it all off, but their "Clear" which inserts black frames is brilliant and up the motion resolution from 300 lines or a good LCD up to around 900 lines.
It does however darken the image, but with the XF9005 being able to go more than twice as bright as you will ever need it this is no longer and issue.
You could buy a used LG OLED for £750 with some warranty remaining, there is a 55" B6 on avforums at the moment for that price.
If you have the room then why compromise?
Also, Sony do image processing very well, I always turn it all off, but their "Clear" which inserts black frames is brilliant and up the motion resolution from 300 lines or a good LCD up to around 900 lines.
It does however darken the image, but with the XF9005 being able to go more than twice as bright as you will ever need it this is no longer and issue.
You could buy a used LG OLED for £750 with some warranty remaining, there is a 55" B6 on avforums at the moment for that price.
If you have the room then why compromise?
Thanks everyone so far for your comments, it's really interesting that the Sony one is that much better but i do worry about the slowness of the UI, working in the tech industry slowness irritates the heck out of me and i think if it was really slow i'd not use it.
As for time i'm in no real rush and happy to wait until January to get one so I can get a good deal and will be keeping an eye on prices to see when they drop down. I need to do some more research on the Dolby set up too as i'm not fully clued up on what that means and why i should be waiting.
Anyone know of any good bracket brands too? I need a fully adjustable one (can pull out from the wall, tilt up and down and from side to side) i've seen one on richer sound for about £150 but not sure if that's about right or quite expensive.
As for time i'm in no real rush and happy to wait until January to get one so I can get a good deal and will be keeping an eye on prices to see when they drop down. I need to do some more research on the Dolby set up too as i'm not fully clued up on what that means and why i should be waiting.
Anyone know of any good bracket brands too? I need a fully adjustable one (can pull out from the wall, tilt up and down and from side to side) i've seen one on richer sound for about £150 but not sure if that's about right or quite expensive.
richatnort said:
Anyone know of any good bracket brands too? I need a fully adjustable one (can pull out from the wall, tilt up and down and from side to side) i've seen one on richer sound for about £150 but not sure if that's about right or quite expensive.
Where is the TV going to be?With LCD you really need to be directly in front and the same height, the picture is crap as soon as you go off centre, washed out mess.
gizlaroc said:
Where is the TV going to be?
With LCD you really need to be directly in front and the same height, the picture is crap as soon as you go off centre, washed out mess.
it's going to be on the wall within the chimney alcove. The sofa is in front of it but i was thinking future proof wise we'd want to a chair to the right if your facing it and also if we have kids and they are sat on the floor and watching tv we'd want to tilt it down a bit for them to see it. With LCD you really need to be directly in front and the same height, the picture is crap as soon as you go off centre, washed out mess.
richatnort said:
Anyone know of any good bracket brands too? I need a fully adjustable one (can pull out from the wall, tilt up and down and from side to side) i've seen one on richer sound for about £150 but not sure if that's about right or quite expensive.
Always found Vogel's very good. https://www.vogels.com/en-gb/c/tv-bracketsgizlaroc said:
I think you might struggle.
You may be best to buy a mid range LCD that uses an IPS panel, these allow better viewing angles but can't do blacks very well, sort of grey.
But a VA panel that can do blacks far better will look even more washed out in your situation.
So how do people manage at the moment then with the OLED of HDR tvs on their walls? Surely it's not that bad?You may be best to buy a mid range LCD that uses an IPS panel, these allow better viewing angles but can't do blacks very well, sort of grey.
But a VA panel that can do blacks far better will look even more washed out in your situation.
OLED is fine, viewing angle doesn't make a difference.
I guess most people have their display at eye level, however, it sounds like yours is going ti be higher than that?
No problem having it this way, but don't get a VA panel, get an IPS panel.
Some IPS panels still look terrible if you go off axis vertically however.
I guess most people have their display at eye level, however, it sounds like yours is going ti be higher than that?
No problem having it this way, but don't get a VA panel, get an IPS panel.
Some IPS panels still look terrible if you go off axis vertically however.
gizlaroc said:
No problem having it this way, but don't get a VA panel, get an IPS panel.
Some IPS panels still look terrible if you go off axis vertically however.
Can you explain what a VA or a IPS is?Some IPS panels still look terrible if you go off axis vertically however.
Interestly just been in John Lewis too and looked at both and I don't see what people say about the Sony being slow? I also liked the smart UI than the Samsung one but then preferred the look and picture of the Samsung so I'm stuck haha!
richatnort said:
Can you explain what a VA or a IPS is?
Interestly just been in John Lewis too and looked at both and I don't see what people say about the Sony being slow? I also liked the smart UI than the Samsung one but then preferred the look and picture of the Samsung so I'm stuck haha!
The UI's pretty much moot anyway if you're using an Amazon Firestick or a Sky Box etc. Interestly just been in John Lewis too and looked at both and I don't see what people say about the Sony being slow? I also liked the smart UI than the Samsung one but then preferred the look and picture of the Samsung so I'm stuck haha!
richatnort said:
Can you explain what a VA or a IPS is?
https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/ips-led-vs-va-lcdrichatnort said:
Interestly just been in John Lewis too and looked at both and I don't see what people say about the Sony being slow? I also liked the smart UI than the Samsung one but then preferred the look and picture of the Samsung so I'm stuck haha!
Don't make any judgements based on instore. It about how good they can get when set up at home in a dimly lit room.
The Q6F is really up against the Sony XF80 range, the Q7F is up against the Sony XF90.
The XF9005 adds zoned dimming and is really well reviewed as a bit of a bargain at £1350, it can be had now for around £850.
You won't see the benefits in a shop, and I bet both were just in torch mode, where the really strong colours of the QLED will probably wow you far more.
But you won't have the colour and contrast that high at home, everyone will look like Trump if you.
To back up the above, I was in John Lewis yesterday and the OLED TVs in the main part of the store looked awful. I'm guessing a poor feed and the TVs just not set up at all. If I was to walk in off the street I would have said QLED was miles better from that viewing.
Go into the small demo room and it's a completely different story and the OLED TVs shined.
Go into the small demo room and it's a completely different story and the OLED TVs shined.
Luke. said:
The UI's pretty much moot anyway if you're using an Amazon Firestick or a Sky Box etc.
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