8K TV's - consensus

[garylythgoe]

I'm moving into a new house next week and the current wall mounted Sony (65" 65XD9305) TV is going in to the new lounge.

The wall where it is going, is prime for a 75" set mounted on the wall as it is in a set back alcove type space.
Instantly started looking at the 75" sets and I see the 8K models are starting to become a bit more 'available'.

The dilemma is as below:-
-Buy a 75" 4K set, and consider lack of future proofing, and eventually buying an 8K set anyway (essentially buying twice).
-Buy a 75" 8K set, pay the higher price, and consider that the 8K specs could change? Could it?
-Mount the current 65" on the wall and get on with it for a while.

I guess the point of this thread is to understand whether its sensible to stick or twist.
I'm reluctant to mount the current one on the wall and have to change the mounting for a new one too.

Does anyone have any insight? I'm aware there is a lack of 8K content/sources, but I'm thinking more from a future proofing perspective.
Is the current 8K specification locked in?

[anonymous-user]

Keep the 4k or if necessary buy a bigger 8ne. No point buying a new 8k as there's nothing to watch, and if at some point in the future that changes, then 8k TVs will be so much cheaper than now that you'll probably still be better off.

ETA if it's an industry standard Vesa wall fitting then you can always reuse that in the future anyway

[garylythgoe]

keirik said:

Keep the 4k or if necessary buy a bigger 8ne. No point buying a new 8k as there's nothing to watch, and if at some point in the future that changes, then 8k TVs will be so much cheaper than now that you'll probably still be better off.

ETA if it's an industry standard Vesa wall fitting then you can always reuse that in the future anyway

8K resolution is coming to next gen games consoles, and I generally will be an early adopter.

https://www.richersounds.com/tv-projectors/all-tvs...

This is one of the current 8K sets I was looking at, check out the wall mounting option on the back of the screen!?

[anonymous-user]

Will you really be able to tell 8k over 4k?

I'm not convinced, and I'd rather buy an oled than a qled for that money.

wall mount is a Vesa 400x400, so same as your current TV I believe (I have same one)

[C0ffin D0dger]

keirik said:

Will you really be able to tell 8k over 4k?

Indeed, unless you've got a 500 inch screen or something how can you tell?

[Sporky]

garylythgoe said:

8K resolution is coming to next gen games consoles

Given the leaked specs for the PS5's graphics processor it won't be able to do much at 8K.

Depending on how good your eyesight is, on a 75-inch screen you'll have to be pretty close to see the difference between 4K and 8K - assuming 6/5 vision I think it's probably about 2m. A 75er is going to be a bit overwhelming at 2m.

[Zoon]

No content to watch, broadcasters can't even do 4K properly so I'd go for the best 4K set you can afford and save a bit of money.

[Zirconia]

keirik said:

Will you really be able to tell 8k over 4k?

I'm not convinced, and I'd rather buy an oled than a qled for that money.

wall mount is a Vesa 400x400, so same as your current TV I believe (I have same one)

Absolutely. I stood the same distance as mine from a 8k with a demo running and it was superb.

If my panel lasts a few years yet then 8K panels would have matured a bit then I would be tempted. Upscaling is important, remember that. Most of what is transmitted in the UK is still SD.

At the moment they seem limited, new tech. Samsung and LG have tried to race each other. The HDMI 2.1 required is still in its infancy and how that is integrated to other stuff. With 8k, a lot of leads could need replacing but more importantly longer runs will need to be fibre (when there is something to plug it into). Copper will not cut it (snake oil salesmen and women are gearing up for this).

In the pro world, 8k is getting a lot of attention and kit, IBC due soon, there will be a lot of attention to it there and Japan is doing the Olympics in 8K. It might be that the makers jump 4k and go 8k (just the way it happens) but with excellent upscaling though the majority of higher def will be 4k.

I would be giving it a year or two past these initial models to see which way it is going.

Edited by Zirconia on Tuesday 20th August 16:28

[Zirconia]

Zoon said:

No content to watch, broadcasters can't even do 4K properly so I'd go for the best 4K set you can afford and save a bit of money.

What 4k is not good?

[Power Junkie]

8K needs a bit of time yet. I attended a couple of trade shows this year and it is very impressive but a good 4k OLED will be best at the moment and last until 8K has matured.

[anonymous-user]

Knowing how little 4k content is out there, and how most editsuites work in 2k then upsample the output (data management), along with the fact 70" is still only on the margin of justifying 4k visually, I'd stick with 4k.

[hornmeister]

Stick with what you've got. The best time to buy a TV is a couple of months after you've bought it. So don't buy for the future. Only buy when you have the ability or need to show 8K.

4K material is still niche, barely broadcast and bandwidth & storage requirements mean that 8K broadcast or gaming without heavy compression losing the advantages of 8K is a way off.

[Zoon]

Zirconia said:

What 4k is not good?

I'm sure you'll agree some 4K actually looks brilliant, whereas some would pass as 1080p.

[Zirconia]

New codec out next year promising better efficiency than h.265. That could potentially have a big benefit for 4k at the very least but aimed higher resolutions, if I were a betting man I would not be betting on which way and how quickly this goes (meaning I still think a few years).

Japan (NHK) seems to be doing 8K for the Rigby World cup (local use only). 4k world feed available. ITV have the world cup? Not seeing ITV4 as HD on my transmitter meaning I won't bother, 4k panel and SD don't mix well (back to an excellent upscaling processor in the panels if 8K ever takes off).

Zoon said:

I'm sure you'll agree some 4K actually looks brilliant, whereas some would pass as 1080p.

When you said broadcast I assumed live. The two I have seen are really good. BT and BBC, both superb as 4k and not looking like 1080p to me.

Films I appreciate they can presented poorly.

Problem comes when films are bumped up from a 2k or 3k master (2k smidgeon over 1080p quality) but the payoff is they have HDR, though HD is also specced up for HDR it seems 4k kicked it off (Star Ten on Netflix for example). Done well though and a 4k from a 2k master can shine, it is more than just a pixel count.

There are quite a few 4k and higher masters now and many scanned in as 4k. There is quite a lot of scanned to 4k+ material out there, e.g 2001 (8k scan) and Blade Runner.

What is going to be interesting is seeing how much momentum 8k gets. There are more channels getting added here and there, not a great deal, but enough to learn how to drive it and deal with it. I wonder if the cost of producing a 8K panel drops enough that they stop doing 4k and we have no choice. Content or no content.
Reading one commentary from CES (?I think) and a fella went into a 8K demo and a few people were starting to feel a tad queasy, they wa 8k is captured, edited and presented looks to have a few teething issues. Live 3D had issues as well if not managed properly but that was overcome.

[alock]

C0ffin D0dger said:

keirik said:

Will you really be able to tell 8k over 4k?

Indeed, unless you've got a 500 inch screen or something how can you tell?

I remember hearing that 8k was the end goal from over 10 years ago. It might be bks, but it sort of makes sense.

If you assume the average person won't be buying a TV in component form, and won't be removing walls of their house, there is a practical maximum size for a TV any normal person will ever get into their house through the front door. This might be somewhere around 100" to 140".

Then assume you want to display artwork, or a fake window view on this screen, and have it look 100% realistic as you walk around the room and are maybe 3 feet away from it.

[dc2rr07]

Zoon said:

No content to watch, broadcasters can't even do 4K properly so I'd go for the best 4K set you can afford and save a bit of money.

+1
I believe the olympics in Japan next year will be one of the first to be broadcast in 8k if we get to see any of that in the uk I would be surprised

[Church of Noise]

Keep the current set...

No content, HDMI versions will probably still change,...

Wait until you can assess if an 8K set would really bring a visual difference for your setting (viewing distance etc etc).

Having bought a 55"4K OLED TV a year ago, I cant see any individual pixels anymore and would be surprised if 8K would bring a real change in that, definitely considering the cost involved.

Just my humble opinion...

[Lemming Train]

garylythgoe said:

I
-Buy a 75" 8K set, pay the higher price, and consider that the 8K specs could change? Could it?

8k res on a 75" screen? And you plan to use it with a gaming console?

I have a 4k 28" screen and a high-end PC and GPU spec (albeit a few years old now) and there are more than a handful of games that can't be played on max graphics settings.

What are the CPU and GPU specs of the console? I have a strong feeling you'll either be having to reduce the screen size area to about as big as a letter box or you'll have to set the lowest graphics option. How do the games play on the current 4k 75" screen and what games are they?

[Zirconia]

dc2rr07 said:

Zoon said:

No content to watch, broadcasters can't even do 4K properly so I'd go for the best 4K set you can afford and save a bit of money.

+1
I believe the olympics in Japan next year will be one of the first to be broadcast in 8k if we get to see any of that in the uk I would be surprised

First Olympics to the general viewing public locally (??) though there were some demos done in 2012 and 2014 and 2016. I assume they will make a feed available if you have the demonstrated means. NHK have a live 8k channel now, kicked off with 2001 scanned in at 8k, started last December, no idea what it was like. Satellite though, that will be heavy on resources, new receivers etc. (obviously). And a big space segment, that costs.

There are other Channels across Europe, not many and some are just test I think, recently Italy has one of the stations said they will start, RAI in 2020? They could be taking a feed of the Olympics (if they ever get it going). There are a few other features that could be interesting such as gaming and VR that come off the back of this and all fits into the HDMI 2.1 spec.

Think SES did a test with a 80mb/s data rate earlier in the year. VVC should make some inroads.

But then they tried making multiple camera angles available during footy and it never really took off, 3D, another that faded away. Who knows with this.

Anyhoo, 5g and 8k is still a mystery that could yield results.
https://www.tvtechnology.com/news/rugby-world-cup-...

Church of Noise said:

Keep the current set...


Having bought a 55"4K OLED TV a year ago, I cant see any individual pixels anymore and would be surprised if 8K would bring a real change in that, definitely considering the cost involved.

I never went down the route of pixel watching, I prefer to see what detail they can provide and if 8K ever gets there (Few years time) then going on the demos I have seen, it will be superb.

But yeah, this could all flop anyhoo.

[Supersam83]

4K has been available in the UK from 2015 but there is still no dedicated 4K channel available anywhere in the UK.

If I want to watch 4K, I have to download a movie/series on Sky Q, watch Netflix, or wait till Sports that are broadcast in 4K start so that I can press select to switch to watching it.

I think 8K is probably a very long way off so probably best to stick to the best 4K picture you can get now which is an LG OLED TV.