LG OLED 65" - replace with what?
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Had the LG for a couple of years now, very happy with it until we moved house, this house has a much larger lounge and the TV actually looks too small for the room. I know that sounds 1st world but heyho.
The problem is any OLED larger than 65" has a marked increase in price, would love a 77" LG OLED but I dont want to spend £5k+
The option that sticks out for me is - SAMSUNG QE75Q90RATXXU 75” Smart 4K Ultra HD HDR QLED TV
Seems to be nearly as good as an OLED for darks and significantly better for brightness.
Can be had for around £2700 now
Anyone got one or can offer any opinions?
:-)
The problem is any OLED larger than 65" has a marked increase in price, would love a 77" LG OLED but I dont want to spend £5k+
The option that sticks out for me is - SAMSUNG QE75Q90RATXXU 75” Smart 4K Ultra HD HDR QLED TV
Seems to be nearly as good as an OLED for darks and significantly better for brightness.
Can be had for around £2700 now
Anyone got one or can offer any opinions?
:-)
I was in a similar situation a couple of months ago trying to choose between a 65" and 77" LG C9 OLED display.
The price difference between the two was frankly ridiculous.
In the end, I picked up the 65" for a bargain price around £1600 (including 18 months SKY Q subscription - result!) and then purchased a 106" Sapphire electric projection screen, Screenint SI-30 projector lift (so projector is hidden in ceiling void) and an Optoma UHD52 ALV projector, for less than the cost of the 77" C9 OLED.
I've not had much of a chance to watch the projector yet as it is in our new home we're building (probably 10 days away from completion before lockdown kicked in!). I have tested it though and the sense of scale is awesome - much more of an occasion for family film nights than the TV. Really looking forward to watching it properly once we eventually get moved in
The price difference between the two was frankly ridiculous.
In the end, I picked up the 65" for a bargain price around £1600 (including 18 months SKY Q subscription - result!) and then purchased a 106" Sapphire electric projection screen, Screenint SI-30 projector lift (so projector is hidden in ceiling void) and an Optoma UHD52 ALV projector, for less than the cost of the 77" C9 OLED.
I've not had much of a chance to watch the projector yet as it is in our new home we're building (probably 10 days away from completion before lockdown kicked in!). I have tested it though and the sense of scale is awesome - much more of an occasion for family film nights than the TV. Really looking forward to watching it properly once we eventually get moved in
The problem with projectors is that whilst they offer the size, the brightness is really poor compared to a TV. We have a 5000lm one at work and in a bright room it's okay, but I wouldn't want to watch a movie on it. I reckon anything less, which most are, the room would have to be near blackout for it to look good.
It will be interesting to see if the 77” OLED comes down in price.
Since flatscreen TVs first came out, there has always been a big step between the largest mainstream size and the next one up. I remember buying a 42” plasma shortly after they first came out, the 50” was three times the price.
Now it seems that 65” is the biggest mainstream size, but as you say, the other manufacturers don’t have quite such a big step up in price to 75/77”.
I have got a 65” C9 in one room and a 55” Samsung QLED in another. The Samsung is a 2017 model, but it is nowhere near the C9 in picture quality for me. The new ones might be better I suppose.
I’ve had projectors for years, so went the same route as Gav did - 65” C9 sitting behind a 100” projector screen. I love it, but couldn’t recommend it for everyone.
I have got a full blackout blind and this is necessary to get a good picture from the projector, so not practical in all situations. That said, the reflections from light on the OLED screen mean that I use that with the blind down as well if. I want the best picture.
Since flatscreen TVs first came out, there has always been a big step between the largest mainstream size and the next one up. I remember buying a 42” plasma shortly after they first came out, the 50” was three times the price.
Now it seems that 65” is the biggest mainstream size, but as you say, the other manufacturers don’t have quite such a big step up in price to 75/77”.
I have got a 65” C9 in one room and a 55” Samsung QLED in another. The Samsung is a 2017 model, but it is nowhere near the C9 in picture quality for me. The new ones might be better I suppose.
I’ve had projectors for years, so went the same route as Gav did - 65” C9 sitting behind a 100” projector screen. I love it, but couldn’t recommend it for everyone.
I have got a full blackout blind and this is necessary to get a good picture from the projector, so not practical in all situations. That said, the reflections from light on the OLED screen mean that I use that with the blind down as well if. I want the best picture.
Road2Ruin said:
The problem with projectors is that whilst they offer the size, the brightness is really poor compared to a TV. We have a 5000lm one at work and in a bright room it's okay, but I wouldn't want to watch a movie on it. I reckon anything less, which most are, the room would have to be near blackout for it to look good.
Definitely. Ideally, the room would have dark wall/ceiling coverings as well as no ambient light coming in, but that isn’t really possible a lot of the time.I run mine in a normal living room environment, with light walls and white ceiling but with no ambient light and it gives a great picture. The LG OLED behind it is still better, but the difference is small enough that it is outweighed by the immersion of using the bigger screen.
MOBB said:
The option that sticks out for me is - SAMSUNG QE75Q90RATXXU 75” Smart 4K Ultra HD HDR QLED TV
:-)
If you are going to move away from OLED that would be the one to go for. :-)
It has good off angle viewing too, which on a 75" is essential.
Make sure the centre is eye level though, don't have it wall mounted and any higher than that, it will look crap.
Smaller the screen better the Image.
I see loads of big screens about and the pictures dire.
We kept to 55” over even going to 65 let alone 77 as the picture is just better due to smaller pixels.
Upscale a 1080 to 65 looks naff imho. I dare to think how crap it would be on a 77”
As an example our 28” tv looks better than the top end hdr oled 55” which is said to be the best tv on the market, but a £180 28” is better.
55” is great for 4K but most things are just hd if you are lucky.
I see loads of big screens about and the pictures dire.
We kept to 55” over even going to 65 let alone 77 as the picture is just better due to smaller pixels.
Upscale a 1080 to 65 looks naff imho. I dare to think how crap it would be on a 77”
As an example our 28” tv looks better than the top end hdr oled 55” which is said to be the best tv on the market, but a £180 28” is better.
55” is great for 4K but most things are just hd if you are lucky.
Quality plays a part as well. I have got a 4K 28” computer monitor and it can’t rival my 65” OLED for blacks or colour representation even though it is sharper.
My 55” Samsung QLED is also inferior to my 65” OLED, but obviously having the same TV in a smaller size would be better.
Having a projector has made me realise that I don’t prioritise sharpness as much as I thought. It has to be good of course, but I watch a lot more on the 100” projector screen than I do on anything else even though the other screens are sharper, blacker and have better colours.
This will be the advantage of 8K whe it goes mainstream, sharper pictures on bigger screens.
My 55” Samsung QLED is also inferior to my 65” OLED, but obviously having the same TV in a smaller size would be better.
Having a projector has made me realise that I don’t prioritise sharpness as much as I thought. It has to be good of course, but I watch a lot more on the 100” projector screen than I do on anything else even though the other screens are sharper, blacker and have better colours.
This will be the advantage of 8K whe it goes mainstream, sharper pictures on bigger screens.
kingston12 said:
Quality plays a part as well. I have got a 4K 28” computer monitor and it can’t rival my 65” OLED for blacks or colour representation even though it is sharper.
My 55” Samsung QLED is also inferior to my 65” OLED, but obviously having the same TV in a smaller size would be better.
Having a projector has made me realise that I don’t prioritise sharpness as much as I thought. It has to be good of course, but I watch a lot more on the 100” projector screen than I do on anything else even though the other screens are sharper, blacker and have better colours.
This will be the advantage of 8K whe it goes mainstream, sharper pictures on bigger screens.
I often explain almost exactly this in the first two mins when I cover the topic My 55” Samsung QLED is also inferior to my 65” OLED, but obviously having the same TV in a smaller size would be better.
Having a projector has made me realise that I don’t prioritise sharpness as much as I thought. It has to be good of course, but I watch a lot more on the 100” projector screen than I do on anything else even though the other screens are sharper, blacker and have better colours.
This will be the advantage of 8K whe it goes mainstream, sharper pictures on bigger screens.
LCD isn’t actually sharper though! You just think it is
Due to slow LCD pixel refresh, they add a load of edge definition. It can almost look like a fine line around things.
It’s a trick which works in that regard, but does make everything look very flat and one dimensional.
Calling LCD screens QLED is just a marketing ploy
You have noticed over time, how humans perceive visuals.
Full grey scale is a priority, which OLED is good at. Mega high brightness is not much use for a domestic TV.
4k is actually plenty of resolution for incredible sharpness too. We don’t NEED 8k, but I’m sure it will be another bit better anyway.
A projector can actually have the best of everything, but is way more difficult and usually expensive to implement.
Sharper, blacker and with better colours, with more natural movement too.
Those things combined with the added size, is a winner for a more dedicated space.
In a compromised location, they can be hit or miss though.
Red 5 said:
kingston12 said:
Quality plays a part as well. I have got a 4K 28” computer monitor and it can’t rival my 65” OLED for blacks or colour representation even though it is sharper.
My 55” Samsung QLED is also inferior to my 65” OLED, but obviously having the same TV in a smaller size would be better.
Having a projector has made me realise that I don’t prioritise sharpness as much as I thought. It has to be good of course, but I watch a lot more on the 100” projector screen than I do on anything else even though the other screens are sharper, blacker and have better colours.
This will be the advantage of 8K whe it goes mainstream, sharper pictures on bigger screens.
I often explain almost exactly this in the first two mins when I cover the topic My 55” Samsung QLED is also inferior to my 65” OLED, but obviously having the same TV in a smaller size would be better.
Having a projector has made me realise that I don’t prioritise sharpness as much as I thought. It has to be good of course, but I watch a lot more on the 100” projector screen than I do on anything else even though the other screens are sharper, blacker and have better colours.
This will be the advantage of 8K whe it goes mainstream, sharper pictures on bigger screens.
LCD isn’t actually sharper though! You just think it is
Due to slow LCD pixel refresh, they add a load of edge definition. It can almost look like a fine line around things.
It’s a trick which works in that regard, but does make everything look very flat and one dimensional.
Calling LCD screens QLED is just a marketing ploy
You have noticed over time, how humans perceive visuals.
Full grey scale is a priority, which OLED is good at. Mega high brightness is not much use for a domestic TV.
4k is actually plenty of resolution for incredible sharpness too. We don’t NEED 8k, but I’m sure it will be another bit better anyway.
A projector can actually have the best of everything, but is way more difficult and usually expensive to implement.
Sharper, blacker and with better colours, with more natural movement too.
Those things combined with the added size, is a winner for a more dedicated space.
In a compromised location, they can be hit or miss though.
To my eye, my 65” OLED is sharper than the 55” QLED/LCD anyway, but they are in different rooms so it is probably an unfair test. The point I was making is that I’m sure a 55” version of the same screen would look sharper than a 65”, but how much it would matter might be questionable.
Totally agree about projectors. Mine is a basic model (Benq W2700) and it is great at what it does, but the corner sharpness from the lens and the black levels would be easily beaten by a better projector in the same room/environment. Again, whether it would be worth spending 3-4x the amount for the improvement would vary by person.
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