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a Leon Cupra R has a heavy accident right in front of the ambulance, not sure if it's responding to an incident when it's happening or not. speedyguy said:
Only person worth their time so far is the old boy, The alcofrolic and drink driver both need a right b
king especially the DD's dad trying to remove the pishhead.
Yet again this shows there is definitely no shortage of resources just a massive misuse of them by feckers.
Isn't the dad conspiring to pervert the course of justice or something?king especially the DD's dad trying to remove the pishhead. Yet again this shows there is definitely no shortage of resources just a massive misuse of them by feckers.
williamp said:
the drunk guy was wasting their resources. He said no, they should have left him there: he wouldnt have died, he had his wife, they had other things to do.
The problem with that scenario is that although he seemed relatively ok, he still needed an assessment by the hospital. The crew had assessed his capacity to make decisions (using the Mental Capacity Act) and found him lacking, so decided to act in his best interest. If they had left him at home and he'd had a further incident which had resulted in his death, the coroner is going to be asking the crew why they had left a patient at home, who was at risk and needed hospital, and who didn't have capacity. The answer "because Police wouldn't attend" just won't cut it.I agree that patients like that can be a pain in the arse to deal with, but they're also the ones who can mess up your career because you get complacent about them, then they unexpectedly die.
Police control were talking b
ks when they said there was nothing they could do though. Pompeymedic said:
williamp said:
the drunk guy was wasting their resources. He said no, they should have left him there: he wouldnt have died, he had his wife, they had other things to do.
The problem with that scenario is that although he seemed relatively ok, he still needed an assessment by the hospital. The crew had assessed his capacity to make decisions (using the Mental Capacity Act) and found him lacking, so decided to act in his best interest. If they had left him at home and he'd had a further incident which had resulted in his death, the coroner is going to be asking the crew why they had left a patient at home, who was at risk and needed hospital, and who didn't have capacity. The answer "because Police wouldn't attend" just won't cut it.I agree that patients like that can be a pain in the arse to deal with, but they're also the ones who can mess up your career because you get complacent about them, then they unexpectedly die.
Police control were talking b
ks when they said there was nothing they could do though. Halmyre said:
My wife said I'll bet that policeman's comment isn't going to go well for him! I knew that crew's three-hour stint was going to be a piss-boiler for a lot of people but I'm guessing that's the very far end of the bell curve.
It's not common. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've had on scene times like that. It is very common, however, to spend longer than needed due to waiting for assistance from agencies who should be dealing with the situation in the first instance.Pompeymedic said:
williamp said:
the drunk guy was wasting their resources. He said no, they should have left him there: he wouldnt have died, he had his wife, they had other things to do.
The problem with that scenario is that although he seemed relatively ok, he still needed an assessment by the hospital. The crew had assessed his capacity to make decisions (using the Mental Capacity Act) and found him lacking, so decided to act in his best interest. If they had left him at home and he'd had a further incident which had resulted in his death, the coroner is going to be asking the crew why they had left a patient at home, who was at risk and needed hospital, and who didn't have capacity. The answer "because Police wouldn't attend" just won't cut it.I agree that patients like that can be a pain in the arse to deal with, but they're also the ones who can mess up your career because you get complacent about them, then they unexpectedly die.
Police control were talking b
ks when they said there was nothing they could do though. williamp said:
sorry but I didsagree. He didnt do anything wrong, he wasnt under arrest, the Police didnt need to be called. Medical staff cannot force someone into hosiptal, nor get the police to force them. It may have been in his best interetst, but it should be the his decision. And he made his decision. Police were right: there was nothing they could do.
Yes medical staff can. If someone isn't able to make an informed decision about medical treatment due to an impairment of their mind, then medical staff can make the decision on their behalf.Pompeymedic said:
Yes medical staff can. If someone isn't able to make an informed decision about medical treatment due to an impairment of their mind, then medical staff can make the decision on their behalf.
Like people who think Ambiwlans is dumbing down, you mean?Edited by mybrainhurts on Sunday 3rd September 15:35
mybrainhurts said:
Like people who think Ambiwlans in dumbing down, you mean?
Unfortunately there is no provisions in the Act for reduced brain function due to comically low iq.It was designed for dementia patients, those under the influence of drugs or alcohol, mental health crisises, combative behaviour due to illness or injury, etc. Not for the terminally dense
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