Stopping Paying TV Licence
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You have to pay a licence fee if you watch live or live streamed TV regardless of whether the broadcaster is the BBC or not.
To do it properly, you need to make a No Licence Needed Declaration (NLLD). You then need to disconnect your aerial. You should also delete BBC iPlayer apps from all your devices and clear any BBC cookies and caches, remove any FreeView receivers and set-top boxes that are no longer required and are removable as well as reset any products that receive live TV back to factory condition, and don’t install any live TV services.
If granted, the NLLD runs for two years (IIRC) after which you have to reapply.
If granted, you also can expect a visit at any time from a Licensing Officer who will have a warrant to check that you are not in contravention of the NLLD - there's a hefty fine if you are.
I assume the same applies to radio (national and local) so you'll need to somehow disable any radio from receiving BBC content - though how you'd go about that I don't know.
In other words....I really wouldn't bother; even if you're one those grouches who just wants to make a point, life is far too short to worry about such things.
To do it properly, you need to make a No Licence Needed Declaration (NLLD). You then need to disconnect your aerial. You should also delete BBC iPlayer apps from all your devices and clear any BBC cookies and caches, remove any FreeView receivers and set-top boxes that are no longer required and are removable as well as reset any products that receive live TV back to factory condition, and don’t install any live TV services.
If granted, the NLLD runs for two years (IIRC) after which you have to reapply.
If granted, you also can expect a visit at any time from a Licensing Officer who will have a warrant to check that you are not in contravention of the NLLD - there's a hefty fine if you are.
I assume the same applies to radio (national and local) so you'll need to somehow disable any radio from receiving BBC content - though how you'd go about that I don't know.
In other words....I really wouldn't bother; even if you're one those grouches who just wants to make a point, life is far too short to worry about such things.
StevieBee said:
In other words....I really wouldn't bother; even if you're one those grouches who just wants to make a point, life is far too short to worry about such things.
I mainly hate the cost, and the way they go about demanding payment. If it's truly a tax on all live broadcasts then why isn't it paid for via standard taxation methods?The world of live broadcasts in 2019 isn't the same as it was in 1980, and the way in which people consume content is vastly different now than even 20 years ago.
StevieBee said:
I assume the same applies to radio (national and local) so you'll need to somehow disable any radio from receiving BBC content - though how you'd go about that I don't know.
It's a TV licence. It's nothing to do with radio.https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ102
It doesn't matter if you fill in the NLD or not they will hastle you so dont bother. The letters you get are disgusting if this was any other company they would have been b
ked for them.
I'm doing up a house and its currently vacant and I was on the fence about getting a tv licence when I move in but after the letters and threats there is no chance. The intimidation and bullying is shameful from the beeb.
Just do the above removing any terrestrial signal and delete any apps then throw any letters in the bin. Anyone turns up say no thank you and close the door. Do not remove right of access as they use this to get a warrant from the courts.
ked for them.I'm doing up a house and its currently vacant and I was on the fence about getting a tv licence when I move in but after the letters and threats there is no chance. The intimidation and bullying is shameful from the beeb.
Just do the above removing any terrestrial signal and delete any apps then throw any letters in the bin. Anyone turns up say no thank you and close the door. Do not remove right of access as they use this to get a warrant from the courts.
StevieBee said:
You have to pay a licence fee if you watch live or live streamed TV regardless of whether the broadcaster is the BBC or not.
To do it properly, you need to make a No Licence Needed Declaration (NLLD). You then need to disconnect your aerial. You should also delete BBC iPlayer apps from all your devices and clear any BBC cookies and caches, remove any FreeView receivers and set-top boxes that are no longer required and are removable as well as reset any products that receive live TV back to factory condition, and don’t install any live TV services.
If granted, the NLLD runs for two years (IIRC) after which you have to reapply.
If granted, you also can expect a visit at any time from a Licensing Officer who will have a warrant to check that you are not in contravention of the NLLD - there's a hefty fine if you are.
I assume the same applies to radio (national and local) so you'll need to somehow disable any radio from receiving BBC content - though how you'd go about that I don't know.
In other words....I really wouldn't bother; even if you're one those grouches who just wants to make a point, life is far too short to worry about such things.
Radio is licence free. Don’t bother with all the disconnection rubbish, there is no requirement.To do it properly, you need to make a No Licence Needed Declaration (NLLD). You then need to disconnect your aerial. You should also delete BBC iPlayer apps from all your devices and clear any BBC cookies and caches, remove any FreeView receivers and set-top boxes that are no longer required and are removable as well as reset any products that receive live TV back to factory condition, and don’t install any live TV services.
If granted, the NLLD runs for two years (IIRC) after which you have to reapply.
If granted, you also can expect a visit at any time from a Licensing Officer who will have a warrant to check that you are not in contravention of the NLLD - there's a hefty fine if you are.
I assume the same applies to radio (national and local) so you'll need to somehow disable any radio from receiving BBC content - though how you'd go about that I don't know.
In other words....I really wouldn't bother; even if you're one those grouches who just wants to make a point, life is far too short to worry about such things.
Don’t renew your licence, just fill in the form. Simples.
Send them a letter asking why they are harassing you (if you don't require a licence) stating that the river authorities don't ask why you don't have a fishing licence *if you have no rod), and the Police don't ask you about having a firearms licence(because you don't have a gun). I genuinely didn't have a TV for a year, and the letters that were sent to me were just harassment, plain and simple.
StevieBee said:
You then need to disconnect your aerial. You should also delete BBC iPlayer apps from all your devices and clear any BBC cookies and caches, remove any FreeView receivers and set-top boxes that are no longer required and are removable as well as reset any products that receive live TV back to factory condition, and don’t install any live TV services.
I cannot delete the BBC iPlayer from my TV as it is an uninstallable app - so I must have a TV licence - you are talking bks. In fact the BBC says on its own website you can use the iPlayer to listen to the radio or watch S4C WITHOUT a licence - www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ291I must clear any BBC cookies and caches - so I can't look at the BBC website or must have a TV licence - again you are talking b
ksI must find somewhere to store my Freeview PVR receiver which is also a media player - so I must have a TV licence as it us unplugged from the aerial under the TV - and yet more b
ksI cant't install the ITV hub, All4, or Now TV for the catchup streaming services as they also show live TV - and even more b
ksStevieBee said:
If granted, the NLLD runs for two years (IIRC)
"if granted" - bks, it is a simple declaration you make and the BBC either accept it or they don't; they don't 'grant' you anything.StevieBee said:
you also can expect a visit at any time from a Licensing Officer who will have a warrant to check that you are not in contravention of the NLLD
"Licensing Officers" -they are not 'officers' they are salespeople employed by Capita engaged to sell TV licences.As for them having a warrant - that is the most utter, utter b
ks you have said so far. There is a vague theoretical possibility they could obtain a warrant from a court, but the chances of them turning up with one on the off-chance is as likely as you winning the lottery whilst being hit by a meteorite, at the same time you are fking a unicorn.StevieBee said:
If granted, you also can expect a visit at any time from a Licensing Officer who will have a warrant to check that you are not in contravention of the NLLD - there's a hefty fine if you are.
And yet more bks - the BBC has a policy of not pushing for prosecution of someone who doesn't have a licence if they buy one before it gets to court. Fines only happen when people let it go all the way to court.StevieBee said:
I assume the same applies to radio (national and local) so you'll need to somehow disable any radio from receiving BBC content - though how you'd go about that I don't know.
And this is the point that you finally reveal you are talking utter st and know nothing at all about the subject.If you don't want the pay for a licence, then unplug the TV and any set top boxes from the aerial and take the leads away, detune the TV and any boxes, sign out of the iPlayer app (unless you only watch S4C), complete the declaration AND apply for your refund (if you pay by Direct Debit you will get six months back).
And then MOST IMPORTANTLY tell you family that if anyone from Capita turns up they are not to engage them in conversation and to say NOTHING to them but just slam the door in their face.
Matt.. said:
I mainly hate the cost, and the way they go about demanding payment. If it's truly a tax on all live broadcasts then why isn't it paid for via standard taxation methods?
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It is a tax and has been since 2006 when it was reclassified as such. From the ONS site:.
"The licence fee is a compulsory payment which is not paid solely for access to BBC services. A licence is required to receive ITV, Channel 4, Channel 5, satellite, or cable".
There’s several reasons its not collected as part of, say, income tax. One is that it risks politicising an apolitical institution and another is that there are a few who’d rather opt out such as yourself and is easier to accommodate this than via a tax-code adjustment.
Matt.. said:
It's a TV licence. It's nothing to do with radio.
https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ102
Nope.https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/faqs/FAQ102
According to the BBC Trust, the TV Licence fee income is used as follows:
66% – All TV
17% – National and local radio
6% – Online e.g. BBC websites, iPlayer
11% – Other
(Other includes things like Education, Film, etc).
eldar said:
Radio is licence free.
No it isn’t. How else do they get the money to do what they do? See above, 17% of the TV fee is for Radio.eldar said:
Don’t bother with all the disconnection rubbish, there is no requirement.
Don’t renew your licence, just fill in the form. Simples.
Simples right up to the point at which a Licensing Officer calls unannounced with a warrant and finds everything still connected and lands you with a £1,000 fine and possibly a court summons and criminal record.Don’t renew your licence, just fill in the form. Simples.
There most certainly is a requirement.
In case you were wondering, I have worked in and around broadcast media for many years including the BBC for whom I still do the odd bit for.
PF62 said:
StevieBee said:
I assume the same applies to radio (national and local) so you'll need to somehow disable any radio from receiving BBC content - though how you'd go about that I don't know.
And this is the point that you finally reveal you are talking utter st and know nothing at all about the subject.Five years running a Radio Station, 15 years as a consultant contributor to the BBC, Nigh on 30 years working in the media industry - UK and globally. Currently involved in two overseas projects that include the need to restructure national broadcast policies to remove political influence from content including the mechanics of funding broadcasting.
My response to the OP was to answer the question he asked. I haven't the time or inclination to engage in a pissing completion but if you're interested, this is a reasonably good one-stop shop of information: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licensi...
StevieBee said:
PF62 said:
StevieBee said:
I assume the same applies to radio (national and local) so you'll need to somehow disable any radio from receiving BBC content - though how you'd go about that I don't know.
And this is the point that you finally reveal you are talking utter st and know nothing at all about the subject.Five years running a Radio Station, 15 years as a consultant contributor to the BBC, Nigh on 30 years working in the media industry - UK and globally. Currently involved in two overseas projects that include the need to restructure national broadcast policies to remove political influence from content including the mechanics of funding broadcasting.
My response to the OP was to answer the question he asked. I haven't the time or inclination to engage in a pissing completion but if you're interested, this is a reasonably good one-stop shop of information: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licensi...
PF62 said:
StevieBee said:
Simples right up to the point at which a Licensing Officer calls unannounced with a warrant and finds everything still connected and lands you with a £1,000 fine and possibly a court summons and criminal record.
Still talking st. Please stop.https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/visit
The chances of a visit are not exactly high but are not low enough to ignore totally.
StevieBee said:
You have to pay a licence fee if you watch live or live streamed TV regardless of whether the broadcaster is the BBC or not.
To do it properly, you need to make a No Licence Needed Declaration (NLLD). You then need to disconnect your aerial. You should also delete BBC iPlayer apps from all your devices and clear any BBC cookies and caches, remove any FreeView receivers and set-top boxes that are no longer required and are removable as well as reset any products that receive live TV back to factory condition, and don’t install any live TV services.
If granted, the NLLD runs for two years (IIRC) after which you have to reapply.
If granted, you also can expect a visit at any time from a Licensing Officer who will have a warrant to check that you are not in contravention of the NLLD - there's a hefty fine if you are.
I assume the same applies to radio (national and local) so you'll need to somehow disable any radio from receiving BBC content - though how you'd go about that I don't know.
In other words....I really wouldn't bother; even if you're one those grouches who just wants to make a point, life is far too short to worry about such things.
This post is making things sound very complicated and guilt-tripping you into paying the licence fee. Ignore it.To do it properly, you need to make a No Licence Needed Declaration (NLLD). You then need to disconnect your aerial. You should also delete BBC iPlayer apps from all your devices and clear any BBC cookies and caches, remove any FreeView receivers and set-top boxes that are no longer required and are removable as well as reset any products that receive live TV back to factory condition, and don’t install any live TV services.
If granted, the NLLD runs for two years (IIRC) after which you have to reapply.
If granted, you also can expect a visit at any time from a Licensing Officer who will have a warrant to check that you are not in contravention of the NLLD - there's a hefty fine if you are.
I assume the same applies to radio (national and local) so you'll need to somehow disable any radio from receiving BBC content - though how you'd go about that I don't know.
In other words....I really wouldn't bother; even if you're one those grouches who just wants to make a point, life is far too short to worry about such things.
Just stop paying. It's up to them to prove you need a licence. They have no right to turn up on your doorstep unannounced, they have no right to enter your property. They are pretty toothless when you read what they can do - but they are very slimy when it comes to scaring people and using 'legal' sounding terminology in their letters. Ignore them.
bazza white said:
It doesn't matter if you fill in the NLD or not they will hastle you so dont bother. The letters you get are disgusting if this was any other company they would have been bked for them.
I'm doing up a house and its currently vacant and I was on the fence about getting a tv licence when I move in but after the letters and threats there is no chance. The intimidation and bullying is shameful from the beeb.
Just do the above removing any terrestrial signal and delete any apps then throw any letters in the bin. Anyone turns up say no thank you and close the door. Do not remove right of access as they use this to get a warrant from the courts.
We recently bought a house that had sat empty for several years.ked for them.I'm doing up a house and its currently vacant and I was on the fence about getting a tv licence when I move in but after the letters and threats there is no chance. The intimidation and bullying is shameful from the beeb.
Just do the above removing any terrestrial signal and delete any apps then throw any letters in the bin. Anyone turns up say no thank you and close the door. Do not remove right of access as they use this to get a warrant from the courts.
amongst the post were quite a few from TV Licencing. Though I cant quote from them, I did think at the time that their tone was completely over the top, aggressive and demanding.
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