Lost Home Movies of Nazi Germany
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I doubt this will be an easy watch but it should be fascinating -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000crf9
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000crf9
I picked this up from listening to the James Holland/Al Murray "We Have Ways of Making You Talk" podcasts. According to Holland, the vast bulk of this footage will never have been seen before because the reels had been sequestered away in various German archives and had not been released for viewing until 2019. Being silent footage, there HAS to be some sort of a commentary or otherwise you won't know exactly what you are looking at, who shot the footage and what the historical context is.
Holland was invited as one of the historians asked to comment on what they were seeing. He said it was very hard to watch some of the stuff that they intend to show but he said it's never been more important to watch films like this.
Holland was invited as one of the historians asked to comment on what they were seeing. He said it was very hard to watch some of the stuff that they intend to show but he said it's never been more important to watch films like this.
BigMon said:
Sounds very interesting, I shall watch it today.
Am currently reading the book below which is quite interesting. It presents a different view of the 'lions lead by donkeys' narrative and is, I gather, somewhat controversial within historical circles.
IN a quick précis, why is it controversial?Am currently reading the book below which is quite interesting. It presents a different view of the 'lions lead by donkeys' narrative and is, I gather, somewhat controversial within historical circles.
Halb said:
BigMon said:
Sounds very interesting, I shall watch it today.
Am currently reading the book below which is quite interesting. It presents a different view of the 'lions lead by donkeys' narrative and is, I gather, somewhat controversial within historical circles.
IN a quick précis, why is it controversial?Am currently reading the book below which is quite interesting. It presents a different view of the 'lions lead by donkeys' narrative and is, I gather, somewhat controversial within historical circles.
Halb said:
IN a quick précis, why is it controversial?
At the risk of derailing the thread (which is about World War 2 German home movies), the book tries to give an alternative view to the decision making made at higher levels in the military during World War 1.I would much prefer if this particular topic was discussed ion its own thread really as it has nothing to do with why I established this thread.
Having said that, it is a good book and alternative views of WW1 always make a good discussion.
Halb said:
BigMon said:
Sounds very interesting, I shall watch it today.
Am currently reading the book below which is quite interesting. It presents a different view of the 'lions lead by donkeys' narrative and is, I gather, somewhat controversial within historical circles.
IN a quick précis, why is it controversial?Am currently reading the book below which is quite interesting. It presents a different view of the 'lions lead by donkeys' narrative and is, I gather, somewhat controversial within historical circles.
And getting back on topic, it was interesting to hear what James Holland said about the myth that "normal" German civilians back home knew nothing about the atrocities that were being perpetrated by the German military in Eastern Europe.
With so much home movie footage being taken by the protagonists, ALL of that film had to be sent home to family members to be be taken to local film labs and chemists for development and either kept at home by the families or packaged up and returned in the normal mail back to the soldiers who shot it. It is highly likely that plenty of people back in Germany had a chance to look at this footage so would have seen what was going on.
As well as that, many letters back home by soldiers mentioned what was going on. It seems that censorship of personal mail by the authorities was nowhere near as effective as it was in Britain.
With so much home movie footage being taken by the protagonists, ALL of that film had to be sent home to family members to be be taken to local film labs and chemists for development and either kept at home by the families or packaged up and returned in the normal mail back to the soldiers who shot it. It is highly likely that plenty of people back in Germany had a chance to look at this footage so would have seen what was going on.
As well as that, many letters back home by soldiers mentioned what was going on. It seems that censorship of personal mail by the authorities was nowhere near as effective as it was in Britain.
Wacky Racer said:
Not quite a home movie - but certainly a seminal film that reveals the power of Nazi propaganda.Eric Mc said:
And getting back on topic, it was interesting to hear what James Holland said about the myth that "normal" German civilians back home knew nothing about the atrocities that were being perpetrated by the German military in Eastern Europe.
With so much home movie footage being taken by the protagonists, ALL of that film had to be sent home to family members to be be taken to local film labs and chemists for development and either kept at home by the families or packaged up and returned in the normal mail back to the soldiers who shot it. It is highly likely that plenty of people back in Germany had a chance to look at this footage so would have seen what was going on.
As well as that, many letters back home by soldiers mentioned what was going on. It seems that censorship of personal mail by the authorities was nowhere near as effective as it was in Britain.
I can't believe they wouldn't have known either but living in a state with spies and a secret police I suppose people didn't really talk about it for fear of ending up in a concentration camp or worse.With so much home movie footage being taken by the protagonists, ALL of that film had to be sent home to family members to be be taken to local film labs and chemists for development and either kept at home by the families or packaged up and returned in the normal mail back to the soldiers who shot it. It is highly likely that plenty of people back in Germany had a chance to look at this footage so would have seen what was going on.
As well as that, many letters back home by soldiers mentioned what was going on. It seems that censorship of personal mail by the authorities was nowhere near as effective as it was in Britain.
It's hard to put it into context when you haven't lived in such a place I guess.
BigMon said:
I can't believe they wouldn't have known either but living in a state with spies and a secret police I suppose people didn't really talk about it for fear of ending up in a concentration camp or worse.
It's hard to put it into context when you haven't lived in such a place I guess.
very much this ^^^ One might expect that living under the Stai might have had similar issues...oIt's hard to put it into context when you haven't lived in such a place I guess.
Collectingbrass said:
Tyre Smoke said:
As a slight aside, is that podcast worth a listen Eric?
Eric may have his own view but I really rate the podcast. They did a series of specials at Arnheim which were well worth a listen.https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
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