it's a sin [C4 Russel T Davies]
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I'm glad the man lad who's a singer acts better than he sings.
I haven't binged it, I'm watching it week to week. I'm disappointed with Neil Patrick-Harris. The potential for a story arc there with the welsh chap would've been a proper heart breaking situation. More so than it is in the 1st episode.
But yeah, definitely worth watching.
I haven't binged it, I'm watching it week to week. I'm disappointed with Neil Patrick-Harris. The potential for a story arc there with the welsh chap would've been a proper heart breaking situation. More so than it is in the 1st episode.
But yeah, definitely worth watching.
It’s available to download in advance.
Watched the whole series over the weekend. There are scenes that would make most ‘straight’ men blush, some proper OMG stuff. It’s done tongue in cheek (in some cases, literally, and you know what cheek we mean).
However, what an absolute gem of a series. The story shows what terrible people most ‘hetero ’ people were in the 80s, total assholes. It was a wonderful and heart breaking story, it brought tears to my eyes several times.
So sad in places. Hard to believe we treated gay men with such hatred. The aids breakout was terrifying.
Fully 100% recommend this programme. Soundtrack was brilliant (didn’t realise just how gay my taste in 80s music was).
(Yes the singing guy needs to learn how to sing, but was a great actor). In fact the whole cast were brilliant. Keelly Hawes character totally vile.
Watched the whole series over the weekend. There are scenes that would make most ‘straight’ men blush, some proper OMG stuff. It’s done tongue in cheek (in some cases, literally, and you know what cheek we mean).
However, what an absolute gem of a series. The story shows what terrible people most ‘hetero ’ people were in the 80s, total assholes. It was a wonderful and heart breaking story, it brought tears to my eyes several times.
So sad in places. Hard to believe we treated gay men with such hatred. The aids breakout was terrifying.
Fully 100% recommend this programme. Soundtrack was brilliant (didn’t realise just how gay my taste in 80s music was).
(Yes the singing guy needs to learn how to sing, but was a great actor). In fact the whole cast were brilliant. Keelly Hawes character totally vile.
I loved this series, absolutely enthralling. As a late 80's, early 90's kid (in Manchester, not London) the story is so true.
It was brilliantly written (as to be expected from Russell Davies) and the empathy behind the acting was spot on.
And there were 80's cars......
And to top it all the house for filming the Tozer family (Shaun Dooley, Keeley Hawes) was about 30 metres away from the very house I bought in 94!
It was brilliantly written (as to be expected from Russell Davies) and the empathy behind the acting was spot on.
And there were 80's cars......
And to top it all the house for filming the Tozer family (Shaun Dooley, Keeley Hawes) was about 30 metres away from the very house I bought in 94!
sinbaddio said:
I loved this series, absolutely enthralling. As a late 80's, early 90's kid (in Manchester, not London) the story is so true.
It was brilliantly written (as to be expected from Russell Davies) and the empathy behind the acting was spot on.
And there were 80's cars......
And to top it all the house for filming the Tozer family (Shaun Dooley, Keeley Hawes) was about 30 metres away from the very house I bought in 94!
Were you a gay kid in the 80s?It was brilliantly written (as to be expected from Russell Davies) and the empathy behind the acting was spot on.
And there were 80's cars......
And to top it all the house for filming the Tozer family (Shaun Dooley, Keeley Hawes) was about 30 metres away from the very house I bought in 94!
A500leroy said:
sinbaddio said:
I loved this series, absolutely enthralling. As a late 80's, early 90's kid (in Manchester, not London) the story is so true.
It was brilliantly written (as to be expected from Russell Davies) and the empathy behind the acting was spot on.
And there were 80's cars......
And to top it all the house for filming the Tozer family (Shaun Dooley, Keeley Hawes) was about 30 metres away from the very house I bought in 94!
Were you a gay kid in the 80s?It was brilliantly written (as to be expected from Russell Davies) and the empathy behind the acting was spot on.
And there were 80's cars......
And to top it all the house for filming the Tozer family (Shaun Dooley, Keeley Hawes) was about 30 metres away from the very house I bought in 94!
Quite a show. Very funny in places but very difficult in others. I simply cannot imagine what it must have been like.
I read today that Nathaniel J Hall (who plays the boyfriend in episode 3) contracted HIV from his first sexual encounter aged 16. I mean, how the f
k does someone handle that?
On the other hand - it is absolutely amazing what they can do in terms of treatment and prevention now. The virus can be suppressed to such an extent that women with HIV can have children who are negative.
Prep is now available on the NHS, a drug that means you cannot contract HIV.
Absolutely awful virus. Awful. It’s pretty depressing actually that this was filmed largely in 2019 and early 2020, prior to COVID - when you compare the global response - I mean, you can see why gay rights is still something that is defended, advanced and celebrated.
I read today that Nathaniel J Hall (who plays the boyfriend in episode 3) contracted HIV from his first sexual encounter aged 16. I mean, how the f
k does someone handle that?On the other hand - it is absolutely amazing what they can do in terms of treatment and prevention now. The virus can be suppressed to such an extent that women with HIV can have children who are negative.
Prep is now available on the NHS, a drug that means you cannot contract HIV.
Absolutely awful virus. Awful. It’s pretty depressing actually that this was filmed largely in 2019 and early 2020, prior to COVID - when you compare the global response - I mean, you can see why gay rights is still something that is defended, advanced and celebrated.
It moved me to tears.
Absolutely gut-wrenching. Honestly presented.
The hedonism that enabled the tragedy.
Ritchie throwing away the condoms in the first episode thinking "I don't need those, no chance I'm getting some girl preggers".
The reaction of doctors to the "gay" diease.
The allies like Jill, and of course Princess Diana.
It ended on the right note. Shame is still a massive issue. LGBT youth are significantly more likely to suffer mental illness such as depression, anxiety disorders and commit suicide.
eta to add spoiler, because some might not have watched all episodes yet
Absolutely gut-wrenching. Honestly presented.
The hedonism that enabled the tragedy.
Ritchie throwing away the condoms in the first episode thinking "I don't need those, no chance I'm getting some girl preggers".
The reaction of doctors to the "gay" diease.
The allies like Jill, and of course Princess Diana.
It ended on the right note. Shame is still a massive issue. LGBT youth are significantly more likely to suffer mental illness such as depression, anxiety disorders and commit suicide.
eta to add spoiler, because some might not have watched all episodes yet
Edited by Rivenink on Wednesday 27th January 13:49
gregs656 said:
I thought the treatment of the mother for not knowing her son was gay was harsh and unfair. Lots of parents don't know, and it is not their fault, no one is a mind reader.
The shame element is fair though. It is still a huge issue.
yep not out and deffo not proud here, still actively searching a cure.The shame element is fair though. It is still a huge issue.
Brilliant series. I hadn’t read much about it, and wasn’t aware it was so heavily focussed on AIDS when I started watching it. I thought it was just a programme about being gay in London in the 80s.
The last episode made me cry like never before from a tv programme, was very powerful stuff. I can’t imagine how sad it must have been to see so many of your friends die, and also how terrifying it must have been to worry about catching it, when so little was known about the virus back then.
In episode 4 it shows that when applying for a mortgage you may have been asked if you were gay, had slept with men etc.
I had no idea this was a thing, but googling brings up an article as recently as 2011 where an HIV test was a requirement of obtaining a mortgage.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/get-this-...
I’m shocked.
The last episode made me cry like never before from a tv programme, was very powerful stuff. I can’t imagine how sad it must have been to see so many of your friends die, and also how terrifying it must have been to worry about catching it, when so little was known about the virus back then.
In episode 4 it shows that when applying for a mortgage you may have been asked if you were gay, had slept with men etc.
I had no idea this was a thing, but googling brings up an article as recently as 2011 where an HIV test was a requirement of obtaining a mortgage.
https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/get-this-...
I’m shocked.
gregs656 said:
I thought the treatment of the mother for not knowing her son was gay was harsh and unfair. Lots of parents don't know, and it is not their fault, no one is a mind reader.
The shame element is fair though. It is still a huge issue.
But I guess it’s a bigger question of acceptance and love in parenting. Richie’s parents were very prescriptive, more or less forcing him to study what they wanted him to study, and clearly not supportive of him taking a different choice to study what he wanted to do. The shame element is fair though. It is still a huge issue.
If they had been more interested in what he wanted, rather than what they wanted, then they no doubt would have had a closer and more open relationship, where he felt he could open up to them about his lifestyle and still be loved.
Even when he went home with Jill and tried to say to them that she was not his girlfriend, which could have been an obvious indicator (along with being generally camp, and into dancing and acting etc), they chose to ignore what he was saying, and just push their own preference on to him (that he had a girlfriend)
It’s not a criticism of not being a mind reader, it’s a criticism of not being loving and accepting of your child. Richie knew he wouldn’t be accepted, so he hid it, and carried that shame
Greshamst said:
gregs656 said:
I thought the treatment of the mother for not knowing her son was gay was harsh and unfair. Lots of parents don't know, and it is not their fault, no one is a mind reader.
The shame element is fair though. It is still a huge issue.
But I guess it’s a bigger question of acceptance and love in parenting. Richie’s parents were very prescriptive, more or less forcing him to study what they wanted him to study, and clearly not supportive of him taking a different choice to study what he wanted to do. The shame element is fair though. It is still a huge issue.
If they had been more interested in what he wanted, rather than what they wanted, then they no doubt would have had a closer and more open relationship, where he felt he could open up to them about his lifestyle and still be loved.
Even when he went home with Jill and tried to say to them that she was not his girlfriend, which could have been an obvious indicator (along with being generally camp, and into dancing and acting etc), they chose to ignore what he was saying, and just push their own preference on to him (that he had a girlfriend)
It’s not a criticism of not being a mind reader, it’s a criticism of not being loving and accepting of your child. Richie knew he wouldn’t be accepted, so he hid it, and carried that shame
Greshamst said:
But I guess it’s a bigger question of acceptance and love in parenting. Richie’s parents were very prescriptive, more or less forcing him to study what they wanted him to study, and clearly not supportive of him taking a different choice to study what he wanted to do.
If they had been more interested in what he wanted, rather than what they wanted, then they no doubt would have had a closer and more open relationship, where he felt he could open up to them about his lifestyle and still be loved.
Even when he went home with Jill and tried to say to them that she was not his girlfriend, which could have been an obvious indicator (along with being generally camp, and into dancing and acting etc), they chose to ignore what he was saying, and just push their own preference on to him (that he had a girlfriend)
It’s not a criticism of not being a mind reader, it’s a criticism of not being loving and accepting of your child. Richie knew he wouldn’t be accepted, so he hid it, and carried that shame
The criticism (that she didn't know) came from someone who had no knowledge of their parenting, and the thrust of the criticism was 'what did you see'. If they had been more interested in what he wanted, rather than what they wanted, then they no doubt would have had a closer and more open relationship, where he felt he could open up to them about his lifestyle and still be loved.
Even when he went home with Jill and tried to say to them that she was not his girlfriend, which could have been an obvious indicator (along with being generally camp, and into dancing and acting etc), they chose to ignore what he was saying, and just push their own preference on to him (that he had a girlfriend)
It’s not a criticism of not being a mind reader, it’s a criticism of not being loving and accepting of your child. Richie knew he wouldn’t be accepted, so he hid it, and carried that shame
Plenty of LGBT kids hide their sexuality from their loving parents, them selves, their peers.
Of course this goes back to shame, but while I think the mother deserves plenty of criticism I don't think you can blame her for not 'seeing' her sons sexuality.
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