Someone on PH, me, is going to be world famous.
Someone on PH, me, is going to be world famous.
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Derek Smith

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48,808 posts

271 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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I’m going to be on TV.

A couple of years ago I was interviewed by a small, independent TV production company. They suggested they were doing an historical bit on police corruption through the years. I experienced the corruption of the 1970s/early 80s in the City of London Police and I was threatened by the bent ones, forcing me to run away. I’ve got over it, but there’s still that taste. The request for the interview came through when one of my old colleagues mentioned that it still haunted him, and it seemed to be a chance to balance matters.

I did a 5-hour stint. It was something like a court appearance. It didn’t always go the way I wanted, a bit like a court appearance, but then I expected that. At the end I felt a bit, only a bit, cathartic. It was over.

It nearly was over and the production company ‘merged’ with a bigger one I was told, and the promised date of broadcast on Ch5 came and went. I was then told it would be broadcast on Ch4, a move upward, but there was no date, and for over a year there was nothing. I’d all but forgotten it.

It’s now in the listings. BBC2 no less, as part of the support for the Line of Duty new series. Bent Coppers: Crossing the Line. I reckon I’m the king-pin, the whole series of three programmes being wrapped around my experiences and interview. I’m in episode 3; blink and you might miss me. They couldn’t have done it without me. Obviously, as they’d have a few minutes’ gap.

It starts on Wednesday (not quite the most highly viewed day of the week) 14 April with episodes a week apart, the final one, the best one obviously, on the 28th.

I hope it is balanced. There was a small cadre of bent officers, probably less than half a dozen, who focused on corrupting others and I hope this comes out, together with the straight ones not knowing whom they could run to, with the bent lawyers, coroners, and, I was told, at least one judge, all taking back-handers. I had little problem knowing where to run, and the fact I ran away was the bit that hurt, although I felt I had no choice. They threatened my kids.

All stalkers welcomed. It’s something we famous people just have to put up with.

Stick Legs

8,289 posts

188 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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Good for you!

Sorry to hear about the experience but at least this is cathartic and validates it.

Megaflow

11,032 posts

248 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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In!

Derek Smith

Original Poster:

48,808 posts

271 months

Sunday 4th April 2021
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Stick Legs said:
Good for you!

Sorry to hear about the experience but at least this is cathartic and validates it.
Thanks. It's only taken 40 years.

If you watch it, and who wouldn't want to, let me know what you think. I'll be biased of course. I hope you will remember I'm a PHer before writing your critique.

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

219 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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Looking forward to this, an interesting subject made more interesting by you being in it Derek.

irocfan

46,626 posts

213 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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anonymous said:
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very much this ^^^ Credit to you

Derek Smith

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48,808 posts

271 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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Just to make it clear, I don't expect to be in it for more than two or three minutes. The producer emailed me a few days ago, saying some nice things about my interview and the thought that crossed my mind was that it was, more or less, an apology for me being only a footnote. A Dear John letter.

It was an interesting experience and one that I'm glad to have done. However, the purpose of the programme - it was orginally meant to be a one-off, hour long less advert breaks, film - was purely historical, but now it's more as an advert for the TV series. I did a little bit on the production side of Lovejoy for one episode and it was entrancing. I think film making is the only job that I probably would have enjoyed, and found as fulfilling, as police work.


Digger

16,120 posts

214 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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Derek, if you had a choice, would you like to be on TV or not?

Regardless of any other consideration.

Wills2

28,131 posts

198 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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Link to the trailer looks good.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p09chc9f


Derek Smith

Original Poster:

48,808 posts

271 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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Digger said:
Derek, if you had a choice, would you like to be on TV or not?

Regardless of any other consideration.
On TV definitely not. In TV, probably yes.

Mr Pointy

12,804 posts

182 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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Derek, were any of those who threatened you ever brought to justice or did they all get away with & retire?

Derek Smith

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48,808 posts

271 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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Mr Pointy said:
Derek, were any of those who threatened you ever brought to justice or did they all get away with & retire?
The purpose of Countryman and the subsequent policy was to rid the police force of the bent ones. To an extent, it did so. Punishment was not seen as a primary target.

I don't want to criticise the enquiry, but they weren't that effective, making quite a few basic errors. Only one middle ranker got punished, and he was rather obvious. It irritated no end of course, and some officers were very bitter, having been put under more pressure than me. The DC who threatened me approached me around two days after my first Countryman interview, which was totally confidential and secure, and told me one of my answers, word perfect. That was a shock. I'd trusted them, and gave a couple of names, neither of whom were punished, and only one for forced to retire.

The most senior person involved, ACPO level, was mentioned in a court case where a member of the gang was questioned by someone supposedly wanting their services. The gang member, when the name of this senior officer was mentioned, said not to worry as "350 [pounds] is enough. He's the biggest unhung villain" but later the guy retracted his statement. Like you do. The assumption was that he, or his family, were threatened. So the chap continued in post until his death.

The gang were clever. If they'd dedicated themselves to solving crime, we could have reduced the rate considerably. They covered their tracks by the simple expedient of mutually assured destruction. They knew things about them that would have meant that their lives would have been ruined if they'd spoken out. Not an excuse of course, just an observation.

I might not have agreed with the method, but I have to admit it has resulted in a force where a firm within a firm is now all but impossible. So perhaps they knew better.

The bloke who threatened me owns a converted farm in the Home Counties.

His team organised three robberies in an around London, in one of which a man was deliberately killed.

All revealed in my book of course, which is why I was approached.

WilliamWoollard

2,437 posts

216 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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Wills2 said:
Link to the trailer looks good.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p09chc9f
Looks good, shame about the dubbed sirens.

Rick101

7,146 posts

173 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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I hope you're swigging a can of Red Bull so we know it's you.

MiltonBaines

1,268 posts

275 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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Are you holding a tin of custard during the interview?

105.4

4,214 posts

94 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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Nice one Derek thumbup

I’ll be watching with interest.

Fermit and Sexy Sarah

13,240 posts

123 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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In, will watch it. Outta interest, how will we know who's you, do you know if you're the only Derek, and if you get name announced as Derek Smith? (presuming that's your real name, rather than just a handle)

105.4

4,214 posts

94 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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Derek, YHM.

Drive it fix it repeat

1,046 posts

74 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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Sounds interesting Derek, I’ll give it a watch. Must have been scary being threatened by people that you should have been able to rely on to have your back, good for you for making an effort to call them out aswell. Where can we find your book? I’d be interested in reading about it in more detail. Must be hard for you knowing that people have got away with their actions, especially the death you mentioned.

Derek Smith

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48,808 posts

271 months

Monday 5th April 2021
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Drive it fix it repeat said:
Sounds interesting Derek, I’ll give it a watch. Must have been scary being threatened by people that you should have been able to rely on to have your back, good for you for making an effort to call them out aswell. Where can we find your book? I’d be interested in reading about it in more detail. Must be hard for you knowing that people have got away with their actions, especially the death you mentioned.
My website is in my personal details page. But I'm certain the Mods won't mind me saying that the book is entitled Both Sides of the Force, and is well reviewed on Kindle.