David Starkey Talks
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Anybody else been watching these?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6t5oQs-YSfhgOC4Y...
The guy certainly seems to know his stuff, and despite being 75 he appears able to rattle off an hour long lecture without referring to notes and including a vast amount of interesting related detail.
He's on YouTube now (and doing very well for a niche interest) because, as you may know, he's been 'cancelled'.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6t5oQs-YSfhgOC4Y...
The guy certainly seems to know his stuff, and despite being 75 he appears able to rattle off an hour long lecture without referring to notes and including a vast amount of interesting related detail.
He's on YouTube now (and doing very well for a niche interest) because, as you may know, he's been 'cancelled'.
I've been watching them, I find them, and David, riveting. A true great, I've watched his chats on other channels as well, like Trigonometry. Such a refreshing change, barely watch 'live' telly now, just the odd US import now and something like Mortimer and Whitehouse. Youtube's quality of experts in the fields I'm interested in can't even be approached by regular UK TV,
singlecoil said:
Anybody else been watching these?
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6t5oQs-YSfhgOC4Y...
The guy certainly seems to know his stuff, and despite being 75 he appears able to rattle off an hour long lecture without referring to notes and including a vast amount of interesting related detail.
He's on YouTube now (and doing very well for a niche interest) because, as you may know, he's been 'cancelled'.
Thank you for posting about this. I'd not heard about them and I also find David Starkey very interesting.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6t5oQs-YSfhgOC4Y...
The guy certainly seems to know his stuff, and despite being 75 he appears able to rattle off an hour long lecture without referring to notes and including a vast amount of interesting related detail.
He's on YouTube now (and doing very well for a niche interest) because, as you may know, he's been 'cancelled'.
Cheers,
Steve
I watch (or rather listen to) most of his stuff. He's been focusing on international politics a lot recently, especially on matters arising from the Russian invasion of the Ukraine. It's mind boggling just how much stuff this guy knows, and how he's able to talk about it fluently and apparently without notes.
In this one he talks about how Russia is winning the 'World War of Ideas'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FofS0aNQSnE&ab...
In this one he talks about how Russia is winning the 'World War of Ideas'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FofS0aNQSnE&ab...
Blue62 said:
He’s paid the price for an inflammatory remark that was judged to be racist and is now operating on the fringes, study him and make your own minds up. If you want to see a genuine intellectual at work watch Christopher Hitchens.
There's nothing at all non-genuine about Starkey. I've listened to plenty of Christopher Hitchens, unfortunately he died in 2011. I wonder how well he would have fared in the modern 'cancel culture'.singlecoil said:
There's nothing at all non-genuine about Starkey. I've listened to plenty of Christopher Hitchens, unfortunately he died in 2011. I wonder how well he would have fared in the modern 'cancel culture'.
Not sure what points you’re trying to make, Hitchen’s untimely death doesn’t diminish his intellect or his body of work, are you saying that Starkey’s comments are only deemed unacceptable because of ‘cancel culture?’ Starkey is fantastic, and really enjoy his channel, although some a bit heavy going. He did a very enlightening video about the pandemic and our relationship with the NHS in early 2020 and he was absolutely spot on as to where we would end up. I’m a late believer in history and what it can tell us, and I find he is a good starting point to listen to.
Starkey is a clever mind within the particular confines of academic cleverness. When it comes to his specialist subject he is genuinely shining. But outside that subject he carries, and wears, some very acute prejudices loudly, and people fall into the trap of thinking that because he is a clever man in one narrow field, his opinions outside that field have worth.
He can speak well well because he is clever, and knows how to convey an idea. There’s an old adage that 80% of being persuasive is how you speak and 20% is what you say. QED.
He can speak well well because he is clever, and knows how to convey an idea. There’s an old adage that 80% of being persuasive is how you speak and 20% is what you say. QED.
Ivo Shandor said:
I've been watching them, I find them, and David, riveting. A true great, I've watched his chats on other channels as well, like Trigonometry. Such a refreshing change, barely watch 'live' telly now, just the odd US import now and something like Mortimer and Whitehouse. Youtube's quality of experts in the fields I'm interested in can't even be approached by regular UK TV,
I agreed with a lot of what was saying in his (2nd?) interview with the TG boys.I was however disappointed with this opinion over Covid vaccines - his solution to Covid was mandatory vaccines for all. Because small pox (or similar). He may know his history, but his scientific reasoning isn't great.
BlackWidow13 said:
Starkey is a clever mind within the particular confines of academic cleverness. When it comes to his specialist subject he is genuinely shining. But outside that subject he carries, and wears, some very acute prejudices loudly, and people fall into the trap of thinking that because he is a clever man in one narrow field, his opinions outside that field have worth.
He can speak well well because he is clever, and knows how to convey an idea. There’s an old adage that 80% of being persuasive is how you speak and 20% is what you say. QED.
I think that's a reasonable summary.He can speak well well because he is clever, and knows how to convey an idea. There’s an old adage that 80% of being persuasive is how you speak and 20% is what you say. QED.
BlackWidow13 said:
Starkey is a clever mind within the particular confines of academic cleverness. When it comes to his specialist subject he is genuinely shining. But outside that subject he carries, and wears, some very acute prejudices loudly, and people fall into the trap of thinking that because he is a clever man in one narrow field, his opinions outside that field have worth.
He can speak well well because he is clever, and knows how to convey an idea. There’s an old adage that 80% of being persuasive is how you speak and 20% is what you say. QED.
Yes as above good summary. I don't pretend to understand the nuances of everything he talks about and also don't agree with everything. But he does present things well and often an opinion worth listening to if not agree and take forward. He can speak well well because he is clever, and knows how to convey an idea. There’s an old adage that 80% of being persuasive is how you speak and 20% is what you say. QED.
Blue62 said:
singlecoil said:
There's nothing at all non-genuine about Starkey. I've listened to plenty of Christopher Hitchens, unfortunately he died in 2011. I wonder how well he would have fared in the modern 'cancel culture'.
Not sure what points you’re trying to make, Hitchen’s untimely death doesn’t diminish his intellect or his body of work, are you saying that Starkey’s comments are only deemed unacceptable because of ‘cancel culture?’ I've not heard the comments that David Starkey made, but I wasn't talking about him, I was talking about Hitchens and especially his stance on Islam.
singlecoil said:
I would hardly have "listened to plenty of Christopher Hitchens" if I had thought his death diminished anything about him.
I've not heard the comments that David Starkey made, but I wasn't talking about him, I was talking about Hitchens and especially his stance on Islam.
Oh I see, it was probably your opening sentence about Starkey that made me think you were posting about him! For someone who has been impressed to the point of starting a thread about him I’m surprised you’re not aware of one of the pivotal moments in his career, if you simply Google his name the fateful remarks are pretty much number one. I guess we’ll never know how Hitchens would make sense of the societal changes simce his death, but I’m fairly certain his views on all religions, including Islam, would be unmoved. I've not heard the comments that David Starkey made, but I wasn't talking about him, I was talking about Hitchens and especially his stance on Islam.
Blue62 said:
singlecoil said:
I would hardly have "listened to plenty of Christopher Hitchens" if I had thought his death diminished anything about him.
I've not heard the comments that David Starkey made, but I wasn't talking about him, I was talking about Hitchens and especially his stance on Islam.
Oh I see, it was probably your opening sentence about Starkey that made me think you were posting about him! For someone who has been impressed to the point of starting a thread about him I’m surprised you’re not aware of one of the pivotal moments in his career, if you simply Google his name the fateful remarks are pretty much number one. I guess we’ll never know how Hitchens would make sense of the societal changes simce his death, but I’m fairly certain his views on all religions, including Islam, would be unmoved. I've not heard the comments that David Starkey made, but I wasn't talking about him, I was talking about Hitchens and especially his stance on Islam.
I'm not terribly interested in why Starkey was cancelled, I understand he has views (on some subjects)which many consider unacceptable but I don't really care. In much the same way as I can listen to and enjoy much of U2's output without caring about Bono's views on politics etc.
My point about Hitchens is that I expect his views on Islam (which I agree wouldn't be different) would see him cancelled too.
singlecoil said:
We're clearly talking at cross purposes.
I'm not terribly interested in why Starkey was cancelled, I understand he has views (on some subjects)which many consider unacceptable but I don't really care. In much the same way as I can listen to and enjoy much of U2's output without caring about Bono's views on politics etc.
My point about Hitchens is that I expect his views on Islam (which I agree wouldn't be different) would see him cancelled too.
I don’t see any cross purposes at all, I just thought you were uniformed, now it seems that’s out of choice. Hitchens was consistent and behaved in the main without prejudice, I doubt very much that he’d be cancelled in the way that Starkey has. I'm not terribly interested in why Starkey was cancelled, I understand he has views (on some subjects)which many consider unacceptable but I don't really care. In much the same way as I can listen to and enjoy much of U2's output without caring about Bono's views on politics etc.
My point about Hitchens is that I expect his views on Islam (which I agree wouldn't be different) would see him cancelled too.
Blue62 said:
I don’t see any cross purposes at all, I just thought you were uniformed, now it seems that’s out of choice. Hitchens was consistent and behaved in the main without prejudice, I doubt very much that he’d be cancelled in the way that Starkey has.
Perhaps you should start a thread about him. This one is about David Starkey.Gassing Station | TV, Film, Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff