Louis Theroux manosphere documentary... discuss
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My frustration is that Theroux, ceased being impartial a long time. And went in to all his documentaries with an agenda. I also grow weary of his "ask loaded question, get lower iq person to self incriminate, whilst he dead pans" style.
I'm also amazed that despite spending weeks with Saville, making a documentary for the BBC, that he saw nothing that alarmed him to the point of considering phoning the Police. And yet all the revelations since Savilles demise have said he was prolific, everyone and their mate knew about him and his predilections an he did next to f
k all to hide it as he was so blasé about getting caught...
Its ironic that even in those trailers the people are wondering if its just a hit piece. Which I would place a sportsman's bet it will be.
For every misogynist incel who adores everything Tate says. There's presumably a normal guy who took action, hit the gym, changed their diet, and became a better functioning member of society.
I doubt the latter will be mentioned.
I'm also amazed that despite spending weeks with Saville, making a documentary for the BBC, that he saw nothing that alarmed him to the point of considering phoning the Police. And yet all the revelations since Savilles demise have said he was prolific, everyone and their mate knew about him and his predilections an he did next to f
k all to hide it as he was so blasé about getting caught...Its ironic that even in those trailers the people are wondering if its just a hit piece. Which I would place a sportsman's bet it will be.
For every misogynist incel who adores everything Tate says. There's presumably a normal guy who took action, hit the gym, changed their diet, and became a better functioning member of society.
I doubt the latter will be mentioned.
Arkose said:
BunkMoreland said:
For every misogynist incel who adores everything Tate says. There's presumably a normal guy who took action, hit the gym, changed their diet, and became a better functioning member of society.
Yes but the documentary isn't about the "normal guy" is it ? BunkMoreland said:
My frustration is that Theroux, ceased being impartial a long time. And went in to all his documentaries with an agenda. I also grow weary of his "ask loaded question, get lower iq person to self incriminate, whilst he dead pans" style.
I'm also amazed that despite spending weeks with Saville, making a documentary for the BBC, that he saw nothing that alarmed him to the point of considering phoning the Police. And yet all the revelations since Savilles demise have said he was prolific, everyone and their mate knew about him and his predilections an he did next to fk all to hide it as he was so blasé about getting caught...
Its ironic that even in those trailers the people are wondering if its just a hit piece. Which I would place a sportsman's bet it will be.
For every misogynist incel who adores everything Tate says. There's presumably a normal guy who took action, hit the gym, changed their diet, and became a better functioning member of society.
I doubt the latter will be mentioned.
I’ll be having a watch over the next few days.I'm also amazed that despite spending weeks with Saville, making a documentary for the BBC, that he saw nothing that alarmed him to the point of considering phoning the Police. And yet all the revelations since Savilles demise have said he was prolific, everyone and their mate knew about him and his predilections an he did next to f
k all to hide it as he was so blasé about getting caught...Its ironic that even in those trailers the people are wondering if its just a hit piece. Which I would place a sportsman's bet it will be.
For every misogynist incel who adores everything Tate says. There's presumably a normal guy who took action, hit the gym, changed their diet, and became a better functioning member of society.
I doubt the latter will be mentioned.
The paper reports that I’ve read don’t scream bias on this occasion.
Thanks for the bump,
had a lengthy conversation with my friends youngest boy on Friday. He’s 15. He’s a lovely boy and plays rugby and is in an mma school. The latter is probably due to bullying as a result of a stutter. We spoke about his first girlfriend break up. The detail he went into both fascinated and appalled.
The pressure young teens are under in this modern world with phones in most kids hands is something frightening. Listening to him describe the run up to two kids falling out I’m still days on trying to comprehend it.
The TLDR point is he’s trying to find his way in an abhorrent environment full of the disciples of the likes of Tate. The post above misses that it’s not grown men we’re talking about it’s impressionable young teenagers and there’s a significant number of them. The more shows like this one the better. It’s not endorsing the behaviour and and a fair few parents will get an eye opener to what their kids are being exposed too.
Posted this on the Netflix thread but re-posting here after seeing this separate thread. I also agree a lot with BunkMoreland's post above about Theroux's style over the years.
I'm halfway through it and it's clear that these influencers are smart and very good sales people. And there is a pattern. A pattern of "power" that drives a desire to be to be sexually dominant. And equally there are many people that come from struggles and are looking for enlightenment (for want of a better term) and are so easily seduced into the image being portrayed. Those two men in Miami especially the shorter one completely seduced inside the influencer matrix. Sad as he clearly is still mentally affected by the loss of his brother (even though he glosses over it), you can see he is looking for something... ultimately this is little difference between this and a religious cult or being sucked into the rabbit hole of confirmation bias on social media based on your political or flag waving or religious leanings. It's all the same really.
I'm halfway through it and it's clear that these influencers are smart and very good sales people. And there is a pattern. A pattern of "power" that drives a desire to be to be sexually dominant. And equally there are many people that come from struggles and are looking for enlightenment (for want of a better term) and are so easily seduced into the image being portrayed. Those two men in Miami especially the shorter one completely seduced inside the influencer matrix. Sad as he clearly is still mentally affected by the loss of his brother (even though he glosses over it), you can see he is looking for something... ultimately this is little difference between this and a religious cult or being sucked into the rabbit hole of confirmation bias on social media based on your political or flag waving or religious leanings. It's all the same really.
type-r said:
Posted this on the Netflix thread but re-posting here after seeing this separate thread. I also agree a lot with BunkMoreland's post above about Theroux's style over the years.
I'm halfway through it and it's clear that these influencers are smart and very good sales people. And there is a pattern. A pattern of "power" that drives a desire to be to be sexually dominant. And equally there are many people that come from struggles and are looking for enlightenment (for want of a better term) and are so easily seduced into the image being portrayed. Those two men in Miami especially the shorter one completely seduced inside the influencer matrix. Sad as he clearly is still mentally affected by the loss of his brother (even though he glosses over it), you can see he is looking for something... ultimately this is little difference between this and a religious cult or being sucked into the rabbit hole of confirmation bias on social media based on your political or flag waving or religious leanings. It's all the same really.
Watched it last night I would 100% agree. I actually found it pretty boring and predictable, everybody being interviewed knew exactly what Louis Theroux was up to.I'm halfway through it and it's clear that these influencers are smart and very good sales people. And there is a pattern. A pattern of "power" that drives a desire to be to be sexually dominant. And equally there are many people that come from struggles and are looking for enlightenment (for want of a better term) and are so easily seduced into the image being portrayed. Those two men in Miami especially the shorter one completely seduced inside the influencer matrix. Sad as he clearly is still mentally affected by the loss of his brother (even though he glosses over it), you can see he is looking for something... ultimately this is little difference between this and a religious cult or being sucked into the rabbit hole of confirmation bias on social media based on your political or flag waving or religious leanings. It's all the same really.
Essentially these guys are just grifters, getting rich and portraying a lifestyle from ripping other people off. Nothing new, this has been going on for years, just look at all the influencers selling drop shipping, crypto or forex training schemes.
The guys they are attracting have little success with women, have little money and little status. When someone tells them none of it is their fault and it is because the system is rigged against them, then of course they are going to listen.
They look at these men, the power, money and influence they have and want to be just like them. When they are claiming they made £10K before breakfast, of course these other people believe them and are willing to pay to learn how to do it.
Unfortunately the way they got rich was to pursuade a lot of other people to give their money to them.
What surprised me most is how many women are willing to be degraded and hang around with these men, I guess this is mostly due to the power and "fame"
The one thing that stood out to me is how he is also just a modern day pimp for the Only Fans girls. One thing that should really be explored in more detail is how this online prostitution has not only been normalised, but almost glamourised in society.
At 52 I don't really understand this whole social media thing, but it is scary how these people hold so much power, they are the new celebrities.
airsafari87 said:
Just finished watching it.
It s everything you expect it to be and worse.
The levels of insecurity in these people is off the scale.
So the usual one sided hatchet job you have to expect from Theroux? It s everything you expect it to be and worse.
The levels of insecurity in these people is off the scale.
I dont doubt there are w
kers in the "Manosphere" with some weird af views. But ime women are fairly adept at not being around those people. But at the end of the scale are people telling men to go and work out in the gym, work hard at their careers. Apply yourself to be successful, dont do drugs, or drink or smoke. Basically be the best version of yourself.
Its inevitable which ones LT will choose to cover
Remember, this is the guy paid by the BBC to make a documentary on Saville. Spent a lot of time with him and yet "saw nothing concerning" about him or his actions.
BunkMoreland said:
Remember, this is the guy paid by the BBC to make a documentary on Saville. Spent a lot of time with him and yet "saw nothing concerning" about him or his actions.
That was twenty five years ago, Louis was 30. Lots of people knew and said nowt. Louis didn't 'know', but raised the allegations anyway.Why do conspiracy theorists think the BBC is at the root of all evil?
I know it was t the focus of this documentary but I’d like to have seen more about the links between these influencers and the dodgy trading platforms that they promote.
A few years ago one of my cousins, about 15 years old at the time, told me I needed to move to Dubai and start trading as he had seen how easy it was on the internet. I’m pretty sure he lost a lot of his hard earned money to these grifters.
A few years ago one of my cousins, about 15 years old at the time, told me I needed to move to Dubai and start trading as he had seen how easy it was on the internet. I’m pretty sure he lost a lot of his hard earned money to these grifters.
Does it matter if it was one sided? These guys are so narcissistic that they were open to get on the documentary for further exposure and, quite frankly, some of the subject matter was utterly abhorrent. I'm no hand wringing wet blanket but I found some of the stuff highly offensive. Theroux has clearly decided to expose the worst people he could get hold of on camera and it is worrying if there are young lads being sucked in by these tosspots on social media.
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