House sold prices in 1991
House sold prices in 1991
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14,669 posts

258 months

Tuesday 27th August 2019
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We're currently in dispute over the council tax banding of our property and seem to have hit a wall with the VOA.

Before we start trawling through estate agent adverts in archived newspapers, is there a source of accurate information for house sold prices from 1991 ?

S27

501 posts

304 months

Tuesday 27th August 2019
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Try the Zoopla web site, using the house prices tab, search on postcode. Should return some records of past house prices if available

SS2.

Original Poster:

14,669 posts

258 months

Tuesday 27th August 2019
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Cheers, but I don't think Zoopla goes back far enough - it's only back to 1998 in our road.

Gareth79

8,616 posts

266 months

Tuesday 27th August 2019
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I wonder if any local long-established estate agents will have their own archives they might be able to search? Obviously they will want some £££, but it will surely save many hours.

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Tuesday 27th August 2019
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Gareth79 said:
I wonder if any local long-established estate agents will have their own archives they might be able to search? Obviously they will want some £££, but it will surely save many hours.
That's a good shout. I know a couple of our local independent agents were around back then - I might just stick my head in the door and ask the question.

paulrockliffe

16,286 posts

247 months

Tuesday 27th August 2019
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Don't you just need house sold prices now and then convert them back into 1991 money?

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Tuesday 27th August 2019
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paulrockliffe said:
Don't you just need house sold prices now and then convert them back into 1991 money?
If only it was that simple..

The VOA will only accept property valuations from 1991 when asked to re-assess a council tax banding. It's beyond frustrating that the VOA appears to hold the information they are asking us to supply, but they choose not to divulge it.

WinstonWolf

72,863 posts

259 months

Tuesday 27th August 2019
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SS2. said:
paulrockliffe said:
Don't you just need house sold prices now and then convert them back into 1991 money?
If only it was that simple..

The VOA will only accept property valuations from 1991 when asked to re-assess a council tax banding. It's beyond frustrating that the VOA appears to hold the information they are asking us to supply, but they choose not to divulge it.
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/council-tax-bands-change/

Any use (near the bottom)

SS2.

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14,669 posts

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Tuesday 27th August 2019
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WinstonWolf said:
SS2. said:
paulrockliffe said:
Don't you just need house sold prices now and then convert them back into 1991 money?
If only it was that simple..

The VOA will only accept property valuations from 1991 when asked to re-assess a council tax banding. It's beyond frustrating that the VOA appears to hold the information they are asking us to supply, but they choose not to divulge it.
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/council-tax-bands-change/

Any use (near the bottom)
Thanks for the link. Unfortunately, we've jumped through most of the hoops shown there.

The VOA is insistent that, despite being provided with a large data set of neighbouring house sale prices at the time and since we purchased ours, they will not consider an appeal unless we can provide confirmation of the house prices in 1991.

They know that if they give in now, it'll cost them a lot - we moved into our current place in 2003, and it's currently in the highest band for CT.

Mr Pointy

12,719 posts

179 months

Tuesday 27th August 2019
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Local libraries may have copies of local papers on microfiche - in fact you could try the local paper direct, if it stil exists.

I don't suppose an FOI request whoud get anywhere with the VOA?

Megaflow

10,798 posts

245 months

Tuesday 27th August 2019
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Have you looked at Nationwide’s house price calculator? My dad successfully argued his council tax valuation with that.

V8RX7

28,982 posts

283 months

Tuesday 27th August 2019
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When I did mine I just compared it to current homes that were in a lower band

Obviously they could move all the lower ones up.


CharlieH89

9,080 posts

185 months

Tuesday 27th August 2019
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I did ask on here back in May but forgot to update.
I’d messaged a local estate agent who said something along the lines of ‘it’d be a bit of a ballache’ and I didn’t bother trying to see if I could have mine lowered

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

I do need to get into the local library to check out the prices though. In that thread there is a picture of when houses did dip.

StanleyT

1,994 posts

99 months

Tuesday 27th August 2019
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Megaflow said:
Have you looked at Nationwide’s house price calculator? My dad successfully argued his council tax valuation with that.
Likewise, in 2015, as we're on a road of limited properties, very few sales, we did this for our neighbour whom it transpired was in a much higher band than us, despite a smaller house in 2015 after 1991 - 2005 improvements to both properties.

We had to back up the Nationwide trend with "a comparable list of properties within two miles", (not ours, the sale prices and improvements for ours 1991, 1996, 2003, 2006 would have really given the game away, fortunately it didn't seem to affect NWides numbers) which as it turned out there was an almost picture identical one right on the boundary of the two miles. I think the VAO did state though that whilst they'd give our neighbour a rebate they thought there had been some work done to increase the value of the property (we bought a ransom strip of the neighbour in 2009 for a piddling sum, less than a grand, done to make each others deeds administration easier, not for profit on either party) so the discount only applies to the neighbour, a "holding note (can't remember exact term") means CT will revert to current level on sale.

I'm dreading revaluation if there is any in the future. Our house is 3 times bigger than it was in 1991, when it was little more than a log store, didn't even have an internal toilet.........had to get up at four in morning to lick road clean with tongue and all we had to eat we're a left over poll tax bill for the 72 of us living there..........

Initforthemoney

743 posts

164 months

Tuesday 27th August 2019
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Would be interesting to know what kicked it all off!

SS2.

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258 months

Wednesday 28th August 2019
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Mr Pointy said:
I don't suppose an FOI request would get anywhere with the VOA?
Bearing in mind their utter intransigence thus far, I very much doubt that would get us anywhere.

Megaflow said:
Have you looked at Nationwide’s house price calculator? My dad successfully argued his council tax valuation with that.
We did try that, and it was immediately rejected by the VOA. I guess your dad was fortunate, or may have been dealing with a more sympathetic drone at the VOA.

They've told us what 'proof' we need to supply. They themselves have access to this 'proof', but they won't divulge it.

Megaflow

10,798 posts

245 months

Wednesday 28th August 2019
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SS2. said:
Mr Pointy said:
I don't suppose an FOI request would get anywhere with the VOA?
Bearing in mind their utter intransigence thus far, I very much doubt that would get us anywhere.

Megaflow said:
Have you looked at Nationwide’s house price calculator? My dad successfully argued his council tax valuation with that.
We did try that, and it was immediately rejected by the VOA. I guess your dad was fortunate, or may have been dealing with a more sympathetic drone at the VOA.

They've told us what 'proof' we need to supply. They themselves have access to this 'proof', but they won't divulge it.
Oh, it was quite a long time ago. Maybe they have changed the rules.

Oakey

27,963 posts

236 months

Wednesday 28th August 2019
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V8RX7 said:
When I did mine I just compared it to current homes that were in a lower band

Obviously they could move all the lower ones up.
This always goes down well with the neighbours hehe

CharlieH89

9,080 posts

185 months

Wednesday 28th August 2019
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What proof is needed before I attempt to have mine lowered?

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Wednesday 28th August 2019
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CharlieH89 said:
What proof is needed before I attempt to have mine lowered?
The VOA told us they want to see proof of sold prices of comparable properties from April 1991, or advertisements from the time of similar sized properties which are within 2 miles of ours.