Hip scores and such like

[Sexual Chocolate]

Is there a minimum age to get a dog hip scored plus other health checks to see if they can be bred from?

[Jasandjules]

Penn Hip or otherwise?

If you want to get it done, I can give you the name of the only person you should use. She is in Southampton.

[bexVN]

Usually approx 18 months, sometimes a bit younger.

Any vets can do hip scoring radiography but they are sent away to bva for official results and certification, this is a separate charge on top of what your vets will charge. My friend took hers to one which I think was Southampton way but not sure and the vet does the xrays just under sedation which is impressive. Most vets will use (and not incorrectly) a full anaesthetic.

[Jasandjules]

bexVN said:

. My friend took hers to one which I think was Southampton way but not sure and the vet does the xrays just under sedation which is impressive.

Yes, this is the lady to get it done by. Has Newfies.

But Penn Hips can be from 16 weeks, not that many places will do that kind of test.

[bexVN]

Jasandjules said:

bexVN said:

. My friend took hers to one which I think was Southampton way but not sure and the vet does the xrays just under sedation which is impressive.

Yes, this is the lady to get it done by. Has Newfies.

But Penn Hips can be from 16 weeks, not that many places will do that kind of test.

I have no idea what Penn hips is/are. 16weeks doesn't show proper development so how is that accurate. Do the BVA still officiate them?

Eta just had a quick look, this report doesn't seem to favour one over the other!
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&am...

Edited by bexVN on Wednesday 8th January 21:34

[Sexual Chocolate]

bexVN said:

Usually approx 18 months, sometimes a bit younger.

Any vets can do hip scoring radiography but they are sent away to bva for official results and certification, this is a separate charge on top of what your vets will charge. My friend took hers to one which I think was Southampton way but not sure and the vet does the xrays just under sedation which is impressive. Most vets will use (and not incorrectly) a full anaesthetic.

And this satisfies all kennel club requirements?

[bexVN]

Sexual Chocolate said:

bexVN said:

Usually approx 18 months, sometimes a bit younger.

Any vets can do hip scoring radiography but they are sent away to bva for official results and certification, this is a separate charge on top of what your vets will charge. My friend took hers to one which I think was Southampton way but not sure and the vet does the xrays just under sedation which is impressive. Most vets will use (and not incorrectly) a full anaesthetic.

And this satisfies all kennel club requirements?

Yes I believe so. It's the set up most vets have been using for years. I don't know about Penn scoring to know if this is recognised or not. I'd not heard of it until this thread .

http://www.bva.co.uk/hip_scheme.aspx

[Jasandjules]

Sexual Chocolate said:

And this satisfies all kennel club requirements?

Go to the lady in Southampton. You get one shot at this, and she is amongst the best. If you are intending to breed which I trust is why you are doing the score, let her do it. She is VERY Good, it is literally 3-5 seconds and you are done.

[bexVN]

Jasandjules said:

Sexual Chocolate said:

And this satisfies all kennel club requirements?

Go to the lady in Southampton. You get one shot at this, and she is amongst the best. If you are intending to breed which I trust is why you are doing the score, let her do it. She is VERY Good, it is literally 3-5 seconds and you are done.

You haven't said, does it meet KC requirements? How can the whole procedure take 3-5 seconds I can't figure this at all. Getting the dog on the table takes longer than that. I assume xrays are still required for the procedure? I am aware this lady is very very good so why haven't her methods become the way to do it? Any vet would be happy to learn of new techniques for hip scoring that the BVA and KC recognised

[Jasandjules]

bexVN said:

You haven't said, does it meet KC requirements? How can the whole procedure take 3-5 seconds I can't figure this at all. Getting the dog on the table takes longer than that. I assume xrays are still required for the procedure? I am aware this lady is very very good so why haven't her methods become the way to do it? Any vet would be happy to learn of new techniques for hip scoring that the BVA and KC recognised

The lady in Southampton does the BVA standard Hip Score and it took about 5 seconds for my dog. As in the actual process, it was 15 mins waiting for the sedative first...

Penn Hip does not appear to currently be utilised much over here - it is a far more accurate (in theory) method and IIRC the scores can be converted to a BVA score for comparison. I've not found anyone who is confident enough to try a Penn Hip test over here as yet.

[Sexual Chocolate]

Jasandjules said:

Go to the lady in Southampton. You get one shot at this, and she is amongst the best. If you are intending to breed which I trust is why you are doing the score, let her do it. She is VERY Good, it is literally 3-5 seconds and you are done.

Southampton is at the other end of the country. Even in my GT2, which no dog is allowed in, it is still a long drive.

[Jasandjules]

Sexual Chocolate said:

Southampton is at the other end of the country. Even in my GT2, which no dog is allowed in, it is still a long drive.

It was about 4 hours for me. Each way. We stayed in a hotel the night before.....

However, the net result was a hip score which was less than 1/3 of the breed average, which for a four year old dog was rather good news.

Remember, you don't get a second shot at this. If someone messes up the X-Ray....... It is worth going to the people who will do it properly.

[bexVN]

I like to think we don't mess up the xrays, we do know what we are doing.

[Jasandjules]

bexVN said:

I like to think we don't mess up the xrays, we do know what we are doing.

Yes I am sure most vets etc believe they do a good job and I am sure they do. However, there is good, and there is excellent. You are comparing someone who does this every day for a living. This is all they do.

As I said, for us it was a no-brainer, we travelled to get what we consider the best.

[bexVN]

Jasandjules said:

bexVN said:

I like to think we don't mess up the xrays, we do know what we are doing.

Yes I am sure most vets etc believe they do a good job and I am sure they do. However, there is good, and there is excellent. You are comparing someone who does this every day for a living. This is all they do.

As I said, for us it was a no-brainer, we travelled to get what we consider the best.

I'm not disputing how good she is, my friend is s vet nurse who travelled tp her from Bristol that says enough to me and I can see why you would seek her out if you can. but I do find it disheartening to read comments that are actually quite insulting about vets abilities to provide good standards of work. We may not be as fast but we do still take pride to do it properly all the same.
We are aware of how important it is for the owners.

One thing I was wondering, we're you allowed to be in the radiography room with your dogs? I know my friend was but I assumed that was because she is a vet nurse.

[Jasandjules]

bexVN said:

One thing I was wondering, we're you allowed to be in the radiography room with your dogs? I know my friend was but I assumed that was because she is a vet nurse.

Yes I took the dog in as she is better with me, I got her to roll over and that is why it was done in seconds.

[Thevet]

Sexual Chocolate said:

Southampton is at the other end of the country. Even in my GT2, which no dog is allowed in, it is still a long drive.

Go to your local vet, assuming they have a good xray set up. If you let me know where you are, I'm sure I can find you an excellent vet to do the HD xrays.

[Thevet]

Jasandjules said:

However, the net result was a hip score which was less than 1/3 of the breed average, which for a four year old dog was rather good news.

You're missing the point of hip scores slightly, they don't measure wear and tear whether 1 year or 12 years old, they look at the genetically determined areas of the hip that will have an effect on how well the hip is likely to last.

[otolith]

Jasandjules said:

However, the net result was a hip score which was less than 1/3 of the breed average, which for a four year old dog was rather good news.

Are you saying that your dog has particularly good hips, or that she will produce more favourable scores than other people?

[GokTweed]

How is the penn hip method different to the method used here? and what makes it better?