article in daily mail about raw dog food
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I know its the Daily Mail, but I found this interesting enough and it was written by an author of a book about dog food. It also mentions a tv show this week:
"The Truth About Your Dog’s Food is on Channel 5 on Thursday at 9pm. Jonathan Self is author of Honey’s Natural Feeding Handbook for Dogs."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2546512/Ho...
The other week I was in the supermarket and a british lady asked me what the labels on some dog food meant. I was translating them for her and mentioned that I got all my dog food from the fresh meat counter. She laughed and said oh we can't afford that, as she loaded a bunch of pedigree chum type food into her trolley.
Its full of crap and 1.50 euros or something for a 400 gramme can. Right now my dogs sitting behind me chewing a fish that cost me 20 cents:
And I picked up a load of pig bits for 98 cents a kilogram... significantly cheaper than cans of wet dog food
All from where I get my own food so no hassle or inconvenience.
"The Truth About Your Dog’s Food is on Channel 5 on Thursday at 9pm. Jonathan Self is author of Honey’s Natural Feeding Handbook for Dogs."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2546512/Ho...
The other week I was in the supermarket and a british lady asked me what the labels on some dog food meant. I was translating them for her and mentioned that I got all my dog food from the fresh meat counter. She laughed and said oh we can't afford that, as she loaded a bunch of pedigree chum type food into her trolley.
Its full of crap and 1.50 euros or something for a 400 gramme can. Right now my dogs sitting behind me chewing a fish that cost me 20 cents:
And I picked up a load of pig bits for 98 cents a kilogram... significantly cheaper than cans of wet dog food
All from where I get my own food so no hassle or inconvenience.Agree with what your saying, I wouldn't use processed dog food now, its like knowing how to maintain a car and use decent tyres/oil/brakes instead of cutting corners and false economies. We got Scooby from the dogs home and he's on a raw food diet, we buy in the frozen raw food that is packaged in the right amounts so his weight is correct. Then supplement it with bones from the butcher which are either given away or 25p for a bag like your dog, he chews on these for ages. Biggest differences I noticed are strangers comment on his good weight/coat condition and not cleaning up diarrhoea from the garden that he always used to have. Got to be better for him.
We feed our mutts on The Natural Dog Food Company's products on the advice of our vet, not because the dogs have any particular dietary requirements but just that most foods are adulterated to one degree or another. The NDFC food
is a holistic hypoallergenic product and doesn't contain wheat or other cereals commonly associated with allergy and intolerance, no dairy, soya or maize, no artificial additives, no by-products, no GM and no added sugars.
They thrive on it, and though it's not cheap, it's not much more expensive than Eukanuba that we fed them on before. And no, I don't have any association with the manufacturer!
is a holistic hypoallergenic product and doesn't contain wheat or other cereals commonly associated with allergy and intolerance, no dairy, soya or maize, no artificial additives, no by-products, no GM and no added sugars.
They thrive on it, and though it's not cheap, it's not much more expensive than Eukanuba that we fed them on before. And no, I don't have any association with the manufacturer!
Escort3500 said:
We feed our mutts on The Natural Dog Food Company's products on the advice of our vet, not because the dogs have any particular dietary requirements but just that most foods are adulterated to one degree or another. The NDFC food
is a holistic hypoallergenic product and doesn't contain wheat or other cereals commonly associated with allergy and intolerance, no dairy, soya or maize, no artificial additives, no by-products, no GM and no added sugars.
They thrive on it, and though it's not cheap, it's not much more expensive than Eukanuba that we fed them on before. And no, I don't have any association with the manufacturer!
not sure if serious :/is a holistic hypoallergenic product and doesn't contain wheat or other cereals commonly associated with allergy and intolerance, no dairy, soya or maize, no artificial additives, no by-products, no GM and no added sugars.
They thrive on it, and though it's not cheap, it's not much more expensive than Eukanuba that we fed them on before. And no, I don't have any association with the manufacturer!
Efbe said:
Escort3500 said:
We feed our mutts on The Natural Dog Food Company's products on the advice of our vet, not because the dogs have any particular dietary requirements but just that most foods are adulterated to one degree or another. The NDFC food
is a holistic hypoallergenic product and doesn't contain wheat or other cereals commonly associated with allergy and intolerance, no dairy, soya or maize, no artificial additives, no by-products, no GM and no added sugars.
They thrive on it, and though it's not cheap, it's not much more expensive than Eukanuba that we fed them on before. And no, I don't have any association with the manufacturer!
not sure if serious :/is a holistic hypoallergenic product and doesn't contain wheat or other cereals commonly associated with allergy and intolerance, no dairy, soya or maize, no artificial additives, no by-products, no GM and no added sugars.
They thrive on it, and though it's not cheap, it's not much more expensive than Eukanuba that we fed them on before. And no, I don't have any association with the manufacturer!
Scubber said:
Agree with what your saying, I wouldn't use processed dog food now, its like knowing how to maintain a car and use decent tyres/oil/brakes instead of cutting corners and false economies. We got Scooby from the dogs home and he's on a raw food diet, we buy in the frozen raw food that is packaged in the right amounts so his weight is correct. Then supplement it with bones from the butcher which are either given away or 25p for a bag like your dog, he chews on these for ages. Biggest differences I noticed are strangers comment on his good weight/coat condition and not cleaning up diarrhoea from the garden that he always used to have. Got to be better for him.
Can I ask which frozen raw food you buy?Escort3500 said:
Efbe said:
Escort3500 said:
We feed our mutts on The Natural Dog Food Company's products on the advice of our vet, not because the dogs have any particular dietary requirements but just that most foods are adulterated to one degree or another. The NDFC food
is a holistic hypoallergenic product and doesn't contain wheat or other cereals commonly associated with allergy and intolerance, no dairy, soya or maize, no artificial additives, no by-products, no GM and no added sugars.
They thrive on it, and though it's not cheap, it's not much more expensive than Eukanuba that we fed them on before. And no, I don't have any association with the manufacturer!
not sure if serious :/is a holistic hypoallergenic product and doesn't contain wheat or other cereals commonly associated with allergy and intolerance, no dairy, soya or maize, no artificial additives, no by-products, no GM and no added sugars.
They thrive on it, and though it's not cheap, it's not much more expensive than Eukanuba that we fed them on before. And no, I don't have any association with the manufacturer!
um...
>your post doesn't answer or relate to the OP
>vets are not formally welltrained in nutrition
>the only training they receive is from the petfood companies.
>most vets sell certain petfoods over the market value
>kickbacks
the first google search I found:
http://www.petforums.co.uk/cat-health-nutrition/17...
there are many many more backing this up.
because of this I assumed ironic post, well, hoped anyhow.
Efbe said:
Escort3500 said:
Efbe said:
Escort3500 said:
We feed our mutts on The Natural Dog Food Company's products on the advice of our vet, not because the dogs have any particular dietary requirements but just that most foods are adulterated to one degree or another. The NDFC food
is a holistic hypoallergenic product and doesn't contain wheat or other cereals commonly associated with allergy and intolerance, no dairy, soya or maize, no artificial additives, no by-products, no GM and no added sugars.
They thrive on it, and though it's not cheap, it's not much more expensive than Eukanuba that we fed them on before. And no, I don't have any association with the manufacturer!
not sure if serious :/is a holistic hypoallergenic product and doesn't contain wheat or other cereals commonly associated with allergy and intolerance, no dairy, soya or maize, no artificial additives, no by-products, no GM and no added sugars.
They thrive on it, and though it's not cheap, it's not much more expensive than Eukanuba that we fed them on before. And no, I don't have any association with the manufacturer!
um...
>your post doesn't answer or relate to the OP
>vets are not formally welltrained in nutrition
>the only training they receive is from the petfood companies.
>most vets sell certain petfoods over the market value
>kickbacks
the first google search I found:
http://www.petforums.co.uk/cat-health-nutrition/17...
there are many many more backing this up.
because of this I assumed ironic post, well, hoped anyhow.
> I don't know what formally welltrained means.
> I don't know if vets are trained in nutrition, though I would expect them to be. Mine specialises in animal nutrition
> mine sells Hills, but recommended the NDFC to me
> 'kickbacks'. Don't know what you're talking about
End of (non-ironic) post
Escort3500 said:
> the OP doesn't ask a question; post relates to pet food
> I don't know what formally welltrained means.
> I don't know if vets are trained in nutrition, though I would expect them to be. Mine specialises in animal nutrition
> mine sells Hills, but recommended the NDFC to me
> 'kickbacks'. Don't know what you're talking about
End of (non-ironic) post
the training vets get in nutrition is very basic. it is only part of vetinary training in passing, not part of the formal course.> I don't know what formally welltrained means.
> I don't know if vets are trained in nutrition, though I would expect them to be. Mine specialises in animal nutrition
> mine sells Hills, but recommended the NDFC to me
> 'kickbacks'. Don't know what you're talking about
End of (non-ironic) post
so unfortunately no, most vets are not trained in nutrition, other than the advice, and more importantly conferences that are setup by the petfood companies.
I would be quite surprised if your vet was indeed a nutritional specialist, animal nutrition as a degree is completely separate to a vetinary degree. but credit to yours for studying to become a vet, then going back to study for a 4 year course so get a job that would not pay as well whilst she could have been earning as a vet.
kickbacks are payments, or payments in kind made by the petfood companies to the vets/vetinary practices to help sell their petfood. most often paid in bonuses for selling certain mount of their product. Not a direct payment, just an incentive.
and no, OP was talking about processed dogfood vs cooking your own. your post had little to do with it. But then neither does this.
Efbe said:
Escort3500 said:
> the OP doesn't ask a question; post relates to pet food
> I don't know what formally welltrained means.
> I don't know if vets are trained in nutrition, though I would expect them to be. Mine specialises in animal nutrition
> mine sells Hills, but recommended the NDFC to me
> 'kickbacks'. Don't know what you're talking about
End of (non-ironic) post
the training vets get in nutrition is very basic. it is only part of vetinary training in passing, not part of the formal course.> I don't know what formally welltrained means.
> I don't know if vets are trained in nutrition, though I would expect them to be. Mine specialises in animal nutrition
> mine sells Hills, but recommended the NDFC to me
> 'kickbacks'. Don't know what you're talking about
End of (non-ironic) post
so unfortunately no, most vets are not trained in nutrition, other than the advice, and more importantly conferences that are setup by the petfood companies.
I would be quite surprised if your vet was indeed a nutritional specialist, animal nutrition as a degree is completely separate to a vetinary degree. but credit to yours for studying to become a vet, then going back to study for a 4 year course so get a job that would not pay as well whilst she could have been earning as a vet.
kickbacks are payments, or payments in kind made by the petfood companies to the vets/vetinary practices to help sell their petfood. most often paid in bonuses for selling certain mount of their product. Not a direct payment, just an incentive.
and no, OP was talking about processed dogfood vs cooking your own. your post had little to do with it. But then neither does this.
Efbe said:
the training vets get in nutrition is very basic. it is only part of vetinary training in passing, not part of the formal course.
so unfortunately no, most vets are not trained in nutrition, other than the advice, and more importantly conferences that are setup by the petfood companies.
I'm not sure what you base these comments on, but my sister is a vet and she has studied a lot about animal nutrition. She also hasn't obtained her nutrition knowledge from pet food companies, so it's not really correct to say that most vets are untrained, and biased. She has first hand experience of treating animals that have been fed raw diets that are lacking in certain nutrients, which cause health issues for the pet, so it's not always as black and white as the article suggests.so unfortunately no, most vets are not trained in nutrition, other than the advice, and more importantly conferences that are setup by the petfood companies.
I think there's some good information in the article, but you have to ask yourself how unbiased it is when the author clearly has a vested interest in promoting raw food diets.
author said:
Now the company I named after her, Honey’s, feeds 3,000 dogs a month.
I gave my dogs some of this today:
as I'd ran out of fresh meat and my friend had borrowed the car so I couldn't get to the supermarket.
They love eating it... but it really is McDonalds for dogs. It might be tasty/easy... but its full of absolute crap.
The ingredients are extremely vague - stuff like 'Meat and animal derivatives', 'derivatives of vegetable origin', 'crude protein' etc. It even contains 'ash, 3%' ffs
as I'd ran out of fresh meat and my friend had borrowed the car so I couldn't get to the supermarket.They love eating it... but it really is McDonalds for dogs. It might be tasty/easy... but its full of absolute crap.
The ingredients are extremely vague - stuff like 'Meat and animal derivatives', 'derivatives of vegetable origin', 'crude protein' etc. It even contains 'ash, 3%' ffs
What do you guys think of Acana Large breed dry food ?
I have been feeding my dog this for a while now and it seems pretty good.. Seems to have good ingredients and a lot less artificial crap than most.. Ofcorse i give him raw bones with meat here and there to supplement his diet but recently have not been able to give him any raw food because he is on antibiotics :/
I have been feeding my dog this for a while now and it seems pretty good.. Seems to have good ingredients and a lot less artificial crap than most.. Ofcorse i give him raw bones with meat here and there to supplement his diet but recently have not been able to give him any raw food because he is on antibiotics :/
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