Dog insurance
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Ki3r

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8,683 posts

183 months

Monday 2nd June 2014
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Afternoon PH,

Helping a friend sort out some pet insurance after her dad has been hit with a bill for close to £1,000 on his dog.

She has a Pedigree Yorkshire Terrier (male), neutered and up to date on jabs. A year old this month.

She also has a cross bread Miniature Poodle/Bearded Collie, eight years old, neutered, but not up to date on jabs.

Can anyone recommend any insurance companies? I've had a look on Confused and getting companies we've not heard of so unsure if they are any good.

She wants to go with Pet Plan, however, they are nearly £40 a month, so looking to see if she can get it a little cheaper.

Thanks smile.

anonymous-user

78 months

Monday 2nd June 2014
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When I was looking I was told two things. Firstly, go for lifetime cover, if the dog gets ill it'll be covered (up to the yearly limit) for the rest of its insured life with that insurer as oppose to normal policies where after the first year the claim for a condition will be stopped.

Secondly, when looking for an insurer look for someone that isnt going to disappear in a year or two. I recall Halifax pulled out of the pet insurance market a few years back leaving all their customers that were making long term claims with lifetime cover high and dry.

Like all insurance, prices are very specific to individual situations but £40 a month for both of them sounds reasonable to me. A pedigree and a older dog are both higher risk I think, plus Petplan are one of the better companies out there, they will pay the majority of vets direct which makes life easier. Obviously you want the best value for money but cheapest isnt always the same thing.

agent006

12,058 posts

288 months

Monday 2nd June 2014
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Petplan or John Lewis were the two names that kept coming up top when we looked last year for lifetime cover.

Look for ones who will pay your vet direct. Ask your vet which companies they can/will bill direct (note this is different from a recommendation).
Be realistic about what maximum payout you need. It's unlikely that you will need the upper reaches of multiple tens of thousand a year unless you have a breed that is prone to chronic conditions.

Ki3r

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8,683 posts

183 months

Monday 2nd June 2014
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CaptainMorgan said:
When I was looking I was told two things. Firstly, go for lifetime cover, if the dog gets ill it'll be covered (up to the yearly limit) for the rest of its insured life with that insurer as oppose to normal policies where after the first year the claim for a condition will be stopped.

Secondly, when looking for an insurer look for someone that isnt going to disappear in a year or two. I recall Halifax pulled out of the pet insurance market a few years back leaving all their customers that were making long term claims with lifetime cover high and dry.

Like all insurance, prices are very specific to individual situations but £40 a month for both of them sounds reasonable to me. A pedigree and a older dog are both higher risk I think, plus Petplan are one of the better companies out there, they will pay the majority of vets direct which makes life easier. Obviously you want the best value for money but cheapest isnt always the same thing.
She wants lifetime cover, that was one of the conditions.

Completely understand cheapest isn't always best, found that with car insurance! PetPlan seems to be talked about a lot though.

agent006 said:
Petplan or John Lewis were the two names that kept coming up top when we looked last year for lifetime cover.

Look for ones who will pay your vet direct. Ask your vet which companies they can/will bill direct (note this is different from a recommendation).
Be realistic about what maximum payout you need. It's unlikely that you will need the upper reaches of multiple tens of thousand a year unless you have a breed that is prone to chronic conditions.
I'll look into John Lewis when I next see her, thanks smile.

I think one Pet Plan cover had a limit of £4k, the other £7k, it was £2 difference or something.

pidsy

8,610 posts

181 months

Thursday 5th June 2014
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Pet plan are most commonly used by vets as they are the market leaders. My sister is a VN and part of her role is to deal with her practice claim forms. Pet plan may be at the upper end of prices but they do what they say they will.

Be very wary of high street companies offering pet insurance. They can be difficult to claim against and won't cover certain conditions.

£40 sounds about right - my new puppy is costing me £67 per month through PP.

stevenjhepburn

291 posts

153 months

Saturday 7th June 2014
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We use LiverpoolVictoria and have been very happy with them.

StuntmanMike

13,963 posts

175 months

Sunday 8th June 2014
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We are with More than.
We have just had about 3k worth of treatment on our dog, they didn't bat an eyelid and only seemed concerned with the dogs welfare.
They were also the cheapest, plus the Vets, the hospital and hydrotherapy people all commented that we were lucky to be with them.

Martin_M

2,071 posts

251 months

Sunday 8th June 2014
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Our German Shepherd is almost 3 now and has always been insured with Pet Plan. I believe they are regarded as one of the more expensive insurers but my other half and I can't recommend them highly enough.

Our dog has had thousands spent on her, having swallowed a bone at less than a year old and subsequently requiring an operation as well as having mild hip dysplasia which requires a lifetime of supplements. Despite this, our premiums have not increased (even slightly) each year.

At present, we pay around £40 per month.

Siscar

6,315 posts

153 months

Sunday 8th June 2014
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I'd open an account somewhere and put £40 a month into it and if you need to pay a vet pay it from there. Sure it's a risk for the first few years but after a while you are likely to have a nice surplus in there. Vet bills that are covered by insurance rarely cost £40 a month which it why insurance companies make money.

Martin_M

2,071 posts

251 months

Sunday 8th June 2014
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Siscar said:
I'd open an account somewhere and put £40 a month into it and if you need to pay a vet pay it from there. Sure it's a risk for the first few years but after a while you are likely to have a nice surplus in there. Vet bills that are covered by insurance rarely cost £40 a month which it why insurance companies make money.
A very big risk indeed - an x-ray can be almost £200 with operations and aftercare running into the thousands so saving your £40 per month for even two years probably wouldn't even cover it.

Siscar

6,315 posts

153 months

Sunday 8th June 2014
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Martin_M said:
Siscar said:
I'd open an account somewhere and put £40 a month into it and if you need to pay a vet pay it from there. Sure it's a risk for the first few years but after a while you are likely to have a nice surplus in there. Vet bills that are covered by insurance rarely cost £40 a month which it why insurance companies make money.
A very big risk indeed - an x-ray can be almost £200 with operations and aftercare running into the thousands so saving your £40 per month for even two years probably wouldn't even cover it.
Yes, but that is very rare. (OK, someone will pop up from a vets saying it happens every day and someone else may pop up with the dog that's had everything conceivable done to them) but on average you pay out significantly more in premiums that you get back in claims. You have to, they'd be out of business otherwise.

Now it is a risk, and perhaps one for the more affluent only, but it's a valid option that not everyone thinks through for all their non essential insurance.

untruth

2,834 posts

213 months

Sunday 8th June 2014
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Petplan's lifetime cover is frequently cited as the best on the market - we have it for our feline and the Ts&Cs are very generous.

agent006

12,058 posts

288 months

Sunday 8th June 2014
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The non-insuring option very much depends on what dog you have. If you have a good example of a healthy breed, like a Border Collie bred from health tested lines, then you'll likely be onto a winner with not insuring. No way I'd risk it on a puppy farmed Labrador though.

JamieBeeston

9,294 posts

289 months

Monday 9th June 2014
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A PHer runs this site which compares the different types of pet insurance - worth a look.

Pet Insurance Comparison

Amused2death

2,522 posts

220 months

Monday 9th June 2014
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We looked into insurance for our Jack Russell, decided to go the "save the premium and bank it" approach.

Without question every company we looked at wanted us to pay the first £75-00 to £100-00 or so, and after that there were limits to treatment. Some companies still wanted you to foot a percentage of the bill. Others limited the cost of treatment, then wouldn't cover the condition once their limits had been reached.

With so many possible exclusions and limits we felt it wasn't worth it.


anonymous-user

78 months

Monday 9th June 2014
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On the flip side over the first year of owning my pup, I've paid £320 premium and £100 excess, the insurance company has paid out just shy of £3000 on treatment.

HenryJM

6,315 posts

153 months

Monday 9th June 2014
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It's like a kind of reverse lottery. Most people will get little back, a few will get a fair amount back once in a while and some will 'win' in a big way. On average you'll lose but you might be one of the big 'winners'.

anonymous-user

78 months

Monday 9th June 2014
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Except as agent has said, you can tell your odds to a degree by what breed and health you have.

Martin_M

2,071 posts

251 months

Tuesday 10th June 2014
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CaptainMorgan said:
Except as agent has said, you can tell your odds to a degree by what breed and health you have.
I suppose this is true to a extent. However, we spent over the odds for our shepherd from a well-respected breeder in Scotland and she still has mild hip dysplasia.

My neighbour's insurance has paid out a small fortune after he dog was run over by a car - these things can and do happen but as has already been noted, it's a gamble isn't it.

So has the OP decided on an insurer?

DrDeAtH

3,680 posts

256 months

Wednesday 11th June 2014
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I used axa. No problems paying out on a vet bill.