I assume foreign aid has stopped ?
I assume foreign aid has stopped ?
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EXKAY120

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540 posts

147 months

Thursday 26th March 2020
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In these unusual times i wonder ?

Bungleaio

6,587 posts

232 months

Thursday 26th March 2020
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No they will need to more than ever.

SidewaysSi

10,742 posts

264 months

Thursday 26th March 2020
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EXKAY120 said:
In these unusual times i wonder ?
Nope, why should it?

neil1jnr

1,485 posts

185 months

Thursday 26th March 2020
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SidewaysSi said:
EXKAY120 said:
In these unusual times i wonder ?
Nope, why should it?
Why should it not?

Riley Blue

23,205 posts

256 months

Thursday 26th March 2020
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EXKAY120 said:
In these unusual times i wonder ?
On what do you base your assumption?

Julian Thompson

2,717 posts

268 months

Thursday 26th March 2020
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Well because we can’t afford it perhaps?

AngryPartsBloke

1,439 posts

181 months

Thursday 26th March 2020
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What a strange thread.

Garibaldi_red

100 posts

79 months

Thursday 26th March 2020
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Julian Thompson said:
Well because we can’t afford it perhaps?
Surely one of the justifications of foreign aid, is that it is expected to lead to greater economic activity and hence 'pays for itself'.

EXKAY120

Original Poster:

540 posts

147 months

Thursday 26th March 2020
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Strange but very relevant surely.....when our country needs all the money we have surely it would be wrong to still be giving it away to other countries ?

AngryPartsBloke

1,439 posts

181 months

Thursday 26th March 2020
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EXKAY120 said:
Strange but very relevant surely.....when our country needs all the money we have surely it would be wrong to still be giving it away to other countries ?
No, because the money used in foreign aid helps to bring stability that might otherwise not exist and lead to larger more expensive problems.

EXKAY120

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540 posts

147 months

Thursday 26th March 2020
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Ok, well i'm learning something here then, still cant see how giving money away brings stability though ?


Edited by EXKAY120 on Thursday 26th March 20:42

Piha

7,150 posts

122 months

Thursday 26th March 2020
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Due to the current health emergency surely we should be looking to increase foreign aid?

I believe that Mr Dyson is planning to donate several thousand of his ventilators to other countries, fair play to him. In times of need we can still help others.

Chozza

808 posts

182 months

Thursday 26th March 2020
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EXKAY120 said:
Ok, well i'm learning something here then, still cant see how giving money away brings stability though ?

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2xChevrons

4,597 posts

110 months

Thursday 26th March 2020
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The estimate from the DFID is that in any one year about 75-90% of the 'foreign' aid budget is actually distributed to British firms to spend, so it's not as if we're just depositing big sacks of cash in the developing world and leaving them to it. It's not all charities and water wells; a lot of it goes to UK firms putting in transport and industrial infrastructure or performing project management/consultancy work.

Even if you're being cynical, a lot of the aid budget has a political or diplomatic purpose to keep various countries and governments well-disposed to us. Which almost certainly 'pays for itself' given that the aid budget is <1.0% of total spending.

And that's without going into the humanitarian areas that other posters have covered - that it alleviates or prevents problems that would ultimately be much more costly (in human and monetary terms) if left unchecked, as well as the broader moral issues about where and how the UK acquired it's national wealth that we can distribute a small part of in the first place.


elster

17,517 posts

240 months

Thursday 26th March 2020
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First of all the foreign is budgeted for not just now but the next few years. There are projects ongoing across the world that we are part of.

Foreign aid does not mean giving money to countries. It is spent on specific contracts.

You may also be surprised to learn that these projects although are overseas quite often are given to UK companies to do. So if improves an area with a specific goal, that country often also will end up giving us contracts in return. On top of that the money comes back to us through the UK companies that provide the aid.

So economically it works quite well for both sides and politically it is why we are one of the biggest soft power countries in the world, still to this day. It is often said that soft power has more influence than military power.

Castrol for a knave

8,030 posts

121 months

Thursday 26th March 2020
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elster said:
First of all the foreign is budgeted for not just now but the next few years. There are projects ongoing across the world that we are part of.

Foreign aid does not mean giving money to countries. It is spent on specific contracts.

You may also be surprised to learn that these projects although are overseas quite often are given to UK companies to do. So if improves an area with a specific goal, that country often also will end up giving us contracts in return. On top of that the money comes back to us through the UK companies that provide the aid.

So economically it works quite well for both sides and politically it is why we are one of the biggest soft power countries in the world, still to this day. It is often said that soft power has more influence than military power.
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The Chinese realised that the West can be icky about foreign aid.

They also have a massive need for raw materials.

Lots of new roads in Africa, built by the Chinese, access to markets and all that.

and before someone posts it, the full version is....

"Charity begins at home, but should not end there".


iphonedyou

10,416 posts

187 months

Thursday 26th March 2020
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EXKAY120 said:
Strange but very relevant surely.....when our country needs all the money we have surely it would be wrong to still be giving it away to other countries ?
To myopic, simplistic and binary minds, perhaps.

RC1807

13,681 posts

198 months

Thursday 26th March 2020
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The Treasury will borrow money in debt capital markets, just as every govt will need to, to recover from Covid-19, and reinvigorate the markets

Dr Doofenshmirtz

16,952 posts

230 months

Thursday 26th March 2020
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Castrol for a knave said:
Lots of new roads in Africa, built by the Chinese, access to markets and all that.
Ah yes...the Belt and Road, the good old CCP eigh, building all those shiny new roads. Nothing in it for them of course, they're just helping out, on a global scale.

cayman-black

13,265 posts

246 months

Friday 27th March 2020
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AngryPartsBloke said:
What a strange thread.
Nothing strange about it at all , help is needed here more than ever.