Why do people write Sans instead of with
Why do people write Sans instead of with
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cliffords

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4,231 posts

52 months

Monday 18th August 2025
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I have seen it quite a bit on here, and other platforms too.
I understand it means without not with, but usually used as with?
I was at the park sans the kids.
I have the basic spec car sans steel wheels
I had fish sans chips and curry sauce

You get the drift. What is the intention here why do they do it.

Lots on PH today hence the post. I don't speak French or write it, am I misunderstanding

Edited by cliffords on Monday 18th August 17:21


Edited by cliffords on Monday 18th August 17:27

spitfire-ian

4,210 posts

257 months

Monday 18th August 2025
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cliffords said:
I have seen it quite a bit on here, and other platforms too.

I was at the park sans the kids.
I have the basic spec car sans steel wheels
I had fish sans chips and curry sauce

You get the drift. What is the intention here why do they do it.

Lots on PH today hence the post.
Sans means without.

cliffords

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4,231 posts

52 months

Monday 18th August 2025
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Yes I amended my post pressed send ahead of myself.
However given your corrections, it makes even less sense

andyb28

1,159 posts

147 months

Monday 18th August 2025
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Not noticed it myself, but do they also write avec instead of with too? biggrin

spitfire-ian

4,210 posts

257 months

Monday 18th August 2025
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cliffords said:
Yes I amended my post pressed send ahead of myself.
However given your corrections, it makes even less sense
Because some people don't know the meaning and they think it sounds fancy. A kind of a real life Derek Trotter smile


Bluevanman

10,100 posts

222 months

Monday 18th August 2025
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spitfire-ian said:
Because some people don't know the meaning and they think it sounds fancy. A kind of a real life Derek Trotter smile
Mange tout

Glassman

24,931 posts

244 months

Monday 18th August 2025
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Bluevanman said:
spitfire-ian said:
Because some people don't know the meaning and they think it sounds fancy. A kind of a real life Derek Trotter smile
Mange tout
Man get out.

Leftfootwonder

1,775 posts

87 months

Monday 18th August 2025
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Quite the faux pas. Just sending this as I leave my cul-de-sac, en route to the café.


cliffords

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Monday 18th August 2025
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Leftfootwonder said:
Quite the faux pas. Just sending this as I leave my cul-de-sac, en route to the café.
Touche

Bonefish Blues

36,332 posts

252 months

Monday 18th August 2025
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It's just one of those small shorthands that has passed into relatively common use.

GetCarter

31,226 posts

308 months

Monday 18th August 2025
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Sans Serif

It's the Adobe generation.

Type has or does not have serif

Just google, you'll understand.

Wills2

29,497 posts

204 months

Monday 18th August 2025
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cliffords said:
I have seen it quite a bit on here, and other platforms too.
I understand it means without not with, but usually used as with?
I was at the park sans the kids.
I have the basic spec car sans steel wheels
I had fish sans chips and curry sauce

You get the drift. What is the intention here why do they do it.

Lots on PH today hence the post. I don't speak French or write it, am I misunderstanding
Can you link to the posts as I've not seen it, but then I'd always read those at face value, I went to the park without the kids, I have a basic spec car but without the steel wheels etc...so I wouldn't notice the error without further context.

Perhaps "sans" has been added to other misused words and phrases such as damp squid, tender hooks and mute points...


Bonefish Blues

36,332 posts

252 months

Monday 18th August 2025
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Search is your friend - plenty come up, both in thread titles & posts.

Ezra

899 posts

56 months

Monday 18th August 2025
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Wills2 said:
Can you link to the posts as I've not seen it, but then I'd always read those at face value, I went to the park without the kids, I have a basic spec car but without the steel wheels etc...so I wouldn't notice the error without further context.

Perhaps "sans" has been added to other misused words and phrases such as damp squid, tender hooks and mute points...
'sans' further context, surely?

croyde

26,298 posts

259 months

Monday 18th August 2025
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Wills2 said:
Can you link to the posts as I've not seen it, but then I'd always read those at face value, I went to the park without the kids, I have a basic spec car but without the steel wheels etc...so I wouldn't notice the error without further context.

Perhaps "sans" has been added to other misused words and phrases such as damp squid, tender hooks and mute points...
And Pedal Stool laugh

Hoofy

79,993 posts

311 months

Monday 18th August 2025
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If you mean "instead of without" then probably because it makes it more interesting to read and type, I guess.

If you mean "instead of with" then probably because the above but they don't speak French.

Or the word has now been bastardised and is actually used instead of "with" rather than "without". Also see the first sentence.

biggrin

Let's face it, we all use a little bit of flowery language. It makes reading things more interesting. "The 911 Turbo was very fast" compared to "The 911 Turbo shifted faster than Donald Trump finding out that the Epstein files had accidentally been released into the public domain." biggrin

AmyRichardson

1,971 posts

71 months

Monday 18th August 2025
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4 key strikes plays 7, plus additional savings often made by omitting the determiner (e.g. "sans wife" vs. "sans my wife") which really is a mystery, and a bit Trotter, as French doesn't work like that.


Bill

58,546 posts

284 months

Monday 18th August 2025
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Wills2 said:
Can you link to the posts as I've not seen it, but then I'd always read those at face value, I went to the park without the kids, I have a basic spec car but without the steel wheels etc...so I wouldn't notice the error without further context.

Perhaps "sans" has been added to other misused words and phrases such as damp squid, tender hooks and mute points...
This, I've never read "sans" and thought they meant with.

LunarOne

7,302 posts

166 months

Monday 18th August 2025
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If anyone's been using sans to mean "with", then it must be the same people who use "could care less" to mean "don't care at all" and who use "entree" to mean "main course"...

andyb28

1,159 posts

147 months

Monday 18th August 2025
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Wills2 said:
Can you link to the posts as I've not seen it, but then I'd always read those at face value, I went to the park without the kids, I have a basic spec car but without the steel wheels etc...so I wouldn't notice the error without further context.

Perhaps "sans" has been added to other misused words and phrases such as damp squid, tender hooks and mute points...
Also like a Moo point, Cows opinion doesnt matter.