Oh B*ll*ks... This will make you laugh....
Discussion
Well, New Year Eve, 11.00pm, Glasgow.
Huge Group maybe 12 of us, had planned to head to a flat in Edinburgh to see the new year in, and I was one of the drivers, I was OK with that. Not a ig fan of the drink at the mo, going through one of those stages, one or two will do me for the night.
Anyway, just as we're leaving, one of said "B*ll*oks to it, lets stay here and get pissed!"
So me and my mate Kev, decided to do something different, and went to Campbeltown which is of course the furthest town south on the Kintyre peninsula.
136 Miles, 2.5 hrs, 1.30 we pulled into a carpark next to the lifeboat station, and slept.
Woke up a 10.00 am, and decided to go and see the Memorial which was built in memory of those who died in the Chinook crash in '93.
So there we were driving round the Mull on the 'Coast' road, single track, get to the top of a hill, round a corner, and land in a damn ditch Don't know what happened but I think it was a combination of the wet road, some cack all over the road, and a slippery bank which I clipped because I didn't turn the wheel hard enough to get round the corner. This was at 10.30. Anyway, much Hmmming and Arrring ensued, with 3 calls to the AA, one of them the woman said
"I'm afraid we won't come out to you because your in a ditch, and we don't cover ditches. But we can send out one of our approved garages but that will be at your own expense, £65 to turnout and then £1 a mile if you need recovered.
Bugger That.
Nice bloke in an Escort came along, went away for a rope and came back 20 minutes later, but couldn't move the car forwards or backwards.
A farmer who had pulled up with his wife in his Corsa decided he would go and get a tractor which should be able to drag me free. Fantastic says I.
He turns up, ties on the rope, and just about gets me out.
This was at 2.00.
So, I go to reverse down the hill to the layby and clean the mud out of the engine bay.
NO DRIVE!
So a tow from the tractor to campbeltown ensued, and another call to the AA, and a Garage turns out at AA expense
Bloke called Micky. Nice bloke, checked over the gearbox, but being New Years Day, he couldn't do anything thorough, His Garage was shut, he was on Standby.
His Question "Do you have relay?" Made me laugh, and he nearly cried when I said "Yes"
On the breakdown truck at 4, home for 8. Phew.
So to end it all, I have a car sitting at the back of my house, the engine works, the brakes work, but the gearbox appears to be knackered, I'm assuming the Drive went when I was in the Ditch, as I was able to move the car back and forth in it, but it gave up, could the clutch be knackered? Is there anything else it could be? I can see this one being expensive
Cheers
Stuart.
Huge Group maybe 12 of us, had planned to head to a flat in Edinburgh to see the new year in, and I was one of the drivers, I was OK with that. Not a ig fan of the drink at the mo, going through one of those stages, one or two will do me for the night.
Anyway, just as we're leaving, one of said "B*ll*oks to it, lets stay here and get pissed!"
So me and my mate Kev, decided to do something different, and went to Campbeltown which is of course the furthest town south on the Kintyre peninsula.
136 Miles, 2.5 hrs, 1.30 we pulled into a carpark next to the lifeboat station, and slept. Woke up a 10.00 am, and decided to go and see the Memorial which was built in memory of those who died in the Chinook crash in '93.
So there we were driving round the Mull on the 'Coast' road, single track, get to the top of a hill, round a corner, and land in a damn ditch
Don't know what happened but I think it was a combination of the wet road, some cack all over the road, and a slippery bank which I clipped because I didn't turn the wheel hard enough to get round the corner. This was at 10.30. Anyway, much Hmmming and Arrring ensued, with 3 calls to the AA, one of them the woman said "I'm afraid we won't come out to you because your in a ditch, and we don't cover ditches. But we can send out one of our approved garages but that will be at your own expense, £65 to turnout and then £1 a mile if you need recovered.
Bugger That.
Nice bloke in an Escort came along, went away for a rope and came back 20 minutes later, but couldn't move the car forwards or backwards.
A farmer who had pulled up with his wife in his Corsa decided he would go and get a tractor which should be able to drag me free. Fantastic says I.
He turns up, ties on the rope, and just about gets me out.
This was at 2.00. So, I go to reverse down the hill to the layby and clean the mud out of the engine bay.
NO DRIVE! So a tow from the tractor to campbeltown ensued, and another call to the AA, and a Garage turns out at AA expense
Bloke called Micky. Nice bloke, checked over the gearbox, but being New Years Day, he couldn't do anything thorough, His Garage was shut, he was on Standby.
His Question "Do you have relay?" Made me laugh, and he nearly cried when I said "Yes"
On the breakdown truck at 4, home for 8. Phew.
So to end it all, I have a car sitting at the back of my house, the engine works, the brakes work, but the gearbox appears to be knackered, I'm assuming the Drive went when I was in the Ditch, as I was able to move the car back and forth in it, but it gave up, could the clutch be knackered? Is there anything else it could be? I can see this one being expensive
Cheers
Stuart.
Sounds like a driveshaft or two have become detached from the gearbox, Stuart. Doubt the gearbox is shot. Very much doubt.
If you look in the engine bay (assuming its not covered in mud), you'll see the shafts enter the gearbox. If you can see splines on the shaft, it's popped out. Not a difficult job to fix. And not that expensive either !
WARNING: DO NOT ATTEMPT TO PUT THE CAR IN GEAR AND DRIVE IT ANY MORE - YOU MAY DAMAGE THE SPLINES ON THE DRIVESHAFT(S). HAVE THE CAR TRAILORED TO WHERE IT WILL BE FIXED (NOT TOWED).
Hope that settles your mind. If it makes you feel any better, this happened twice to me on the same car (1984 Fiesta 1.3). Unfortunately it happened (both times) on a motorway. You could tell something was amiss as the revcounter went through the celing as the engine suddenly wasn't driving 2 wheels, and nearly overspeeded. Yikes !
>> Edited by GregE240 on Thursday 2nd January 11:56
If you look in the engine bay (assuming its not covered in mud), you'll see the shafts enter the gearbox. If you can see splines on the shaft, it's popped out. Not a difficult job to fix. And not that expensive either !
WARNING: DO NOT ATTEMPT TO PUT THE CAR IN GEAR AND DRIVE IT ANY MORE - YOU MAY DAMAGE THE SPLINES ON THE DRIVESHAFT(S). HAVE THE CAR TRAILORED TO WHERE IT WILL BE FIXED (NOT TOWED).
Hope that settles your mind. If it makes you feel any better, this happened twice to me on the same car (1984 Fiesta 1.3). Unfortunately it happened (both times) on a motorway. You could tell something was amiss as the revcounter went through the celing as the engine suddenly wasn't driving 2 wheels, and nearly overspeeded. Yikes !
>> Edited by GregE240 on Thursday 2nd January 11:56
If you had drive in the ditch and tried to assist the removal by driving the car as it was being tugged out by the escort, it is possible you have cooked the clutch plates. Did you get a burning smell when the escort was attempting to get you out?
If there is no serious damage underneath it is likely to be in the clutch area of proceedings rather than a failure of drive shafts or gearbox.
If there is no serious damage underneath it is likely to be in the clutch area of proceedings rather than a failure of drive shafts or gearbox.
The Breakdown bloke checked the driveshafts as one of the first things, said they were fine.
MadCop, I'm thinking along the same lines as you, I was riding the clutch like crazy to try and move it, lots of white smoke and the lovely smell of clutch! I thought the smoke was steam, the ditch had a lot of water in it.
When i was being towed the 5 miles back to campbeltown, there was a noise as the car moved, didn't sound like anything breaking, or banging, more like a seperating, as if the clutch plates were breaking apart.
It wouldn't suprise me if I had cooked the clutch, but if it was driveshaft I would've thought the Breakdown driver would've noticed.
Oh, M&R Motors, Campbeltown.
Thanks very much, Your lifesavers
MadCop, I'm thinking along the same lines as you, I was riding the clutch like crazy to try and move it, lots of white smoke and the lovely smell of clutch! I thought the smoke was steam, the ditch had a lot of water in it.
When i was being towed the 5 miles back to campbeltown, there was a noise as the car moved, didn't sound like anything breaking, or banging, more like a seperating, as if the clutch plates were breaking apart.
It wouldn't suprise me if I had cooked the clutch, but if it was driveshaft I would've thought the Breakdown driver would've noticed.
Oh, M&R Motors, Campbeltown.
Thanks very much, Your lifesavers If you've got water and mud all over the clutch plate, it might well be just slipping round.
Has the car had a chance to dry out yet? Try pouring brake cleaner (or coca cola) down the clutch inspection hole - or just revving the car a little while to see if it burns off.
The only problem with the blown clutch theory is that unless you've managed to completely destroy the plates, there should still be some drive at low revs at least before it starts to slip.
Is there any change of noise when you engage/disengage the clutch?
Has the car had a chance to dry out yet? Try pouring brake cleaner (or coca cola) down the clutch inspection hole - or just revving the car a little while to see if it burns off.
The only problem with the blown clutch theory is that unless you've managed to completely destroy the plates, there should still be some drive at low revs at least before it starts to slip.
Is there any change of noise when you engage/disengage the clutch?
The car was pulled from the Ditch at about 2.00 yesterday afternoon, the engine was on, but I wasn't revving it while I was being towed - Lights/Brakes/Hazards etc and then again while I was sitting waiting for the AA, to give us some heat. They turned up about 4, the engine hasn't run since.
How long should it take to dry out?
How long should it take to dry out?
for those interested in where the 'incident' happened, the ditch was at the end of the arrow
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Zoom the map out to see it in relation to Campbeltown etc.
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Zoom the map out to see it in relation to Campbeltown etc.
There is an easy way to see if it is the driveshafts. Just jack the front of the car up (I assume it is FWD - if not do so to the rear).
All you need to do is turn the roadwheel and the wheel on the other side should turn in the opposite direction. If it doesn't you have at least one detached driveshaft or a totally b&££$%*d final drive assembly.
All you need to do is turn the roadwheel and the wheel on the other side should turn in the opposite direction. If it doesn't you have at least one detached driveshaft or a totally b&££$%*d final drive assembly.
Im with SPN on this one.
Its not gonna be the driveshafts poping out as theyre not designed to have that much end play.
Even if one of the jump rings had broken the shaft wouldnt come all the way out.
Whats the car BTW?
Most likely the clutch was marginal and the extra slipping you did killed it orf.
Er, you did have ALL the gears afterwards didnt you? i was wondering if the gearshifter has been damaged/distorted after being in the ditch?
Its not gonna be the driveshafts poping out as theyre not designed to have that much end play.
Even if one of the jump rings had broken the shaft wouldnt come all the way out.
Whats the car BTW?
Most likely the clutch was marginal and the extra slipping you did killed it orf.
Er, you did have ALL the gears afterwards didnt you? i was wondering if the gearshifter has been damaged/distorted after being in the ditch?
deltaf said: Im with SPN on this one.
Its not gonna be the driveshafts poping out as theyre not designed to have that much end play.
Even if one of the jump rings had broken the shaft wouldnt come all the way out.
Whats the car BTW?
Most likely the clutch was marginal and the extra slipping you did killed it orf.
Er, you did have ALL the gears afterwards didnt you? i was wondering if the gearshifter has been damaged/distorted after being in the ditch?
Ah Ha, this could be it.
Car is a Ford Orion. There is History of recent goings on in my Profile.
AA Man chappy checked driveshafts and said they were fine. Clutch is only a few thousand miles old so I doubt if it's that but I was moving the car (read as riding the clutch) for a good hour or two.
Gear when I came out of the ditch. This is where is gets complicated.
Pulled out of ditch and tried to move, no go. With clutch out and engine running i was able to freely move gear stick in and out of all 6 gears (5 Forward and 1 Reverse). This was as soon as the car was out of the ditch. Farmer attempted to clear muck and have a look at gearbox (nice bloke he was too), but he could only look at the basics.
Fast Forward now, tow is over, AA Phoned waiting for them in Campbeltown. Engine running, sitting listening to the radio (West FM, In Campbeltown
) playing with gearstick, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th 5th, in and out no problem, tried for Reverse, CRRRRUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNCCCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Didn't expect that. WooHoo, says I, Clutch in, select Reverse, handbrake off, clutch out, little gas, engine revved freely to 6000rpm. Bolloks. Haven't checked today, but I'm not expecting any change. When the stick is in any of the forward gears, it 'feels' like it is in gear Gentle vibration, but more so than when it is in neutral. AA Bloke did mention the selector inside the box, but I don't even want to go there. He said "Thats the last thing you want it to be, if its the fork on the end of the selector rod from Stick to box, your OK, if it goes any deeper...money...lots of money...money..throw...drain..as good as etc"
He checked it, but only as much as he was able to by the roadside.
>> Edited by tvradict on Thursday 2nd January 21:59
OK, update.
Warmed the car up this afternoon, first time it's run since 3.30 on wednesday. No problems with engine, released handbrake and the car rolled slightly and stopped on the brakes, so thankfully, nothing appears to have seized up.
Onto the Problem.
Tried the gears, wouldn't go in with clutch up, but would with it in, gear selector, and wierdly clutch, appear to be ok. However, spoke to a few motor factors today, one of them said I've destroyed the clutchplate, but would that still turn the 'box?
Another said that as the 'box/clutch was underwater for a few hours, the clutch has likely become saturated and therefore the water will be acting like oil, which would also explain the slight smell of clutch in the engine bay as the clutch will be gently slipping. This is made worse by the current constant freezing temperature which will have frozen the water in the plates, these will have stuck together but will seperate the same as a door which has frozen shut. I'm still lost though. this is all about as clear as the water in the ditch
going to put the front end on Axel Stands tomorrow and clean the underside which is still covered in mud, might try using warm water, but this is not easy upside down Thankfully the water between mud and car will be frozen so won't be trying to rust the bodywork, but I still need to get rid of it all.
Anybody got any ideas on how to dry the clutch plates?
Cheers.
Warmed the car up this afternoon, first time it's run since 3.30 on wednesday. No problems with engine, released handbrake and the car rolled slightly and stopped on the brakes, so thankfully, nothing appears to have seized up.
Onto the Problem.
Tried the gears, wouldn't go in with clutch up, but would with it in, gear selector, and wierdly clutch, appear to be ok. However, spoke to a few motor factors today, one of them said I've destroyed the clutchplate, but would that still turn the 'box?
Another said that as the 'box/clutch was underwater for a few hours, the clutch has likely become saturated and therefore the water will be acting like oil, which would also explain the slight smell of clutch in the engine bay as the clutch will be gently slipping. This is made worse by the current constant freezing temperature which will have frozen the water in the plates, these will have stuck together but will seperate the same as a door which has frozen shut. I'm still lost though. this is all about as clear as the water in the ditch
going to put the front end on Axel Stands tomorrow and clean the underside which is still covered in mud, might try using warm water, but this is not easy upside down
Thankfully the water between mud and car will be frozen so won't be trying to rust the bodywork, but I still need to get rid of it all. Anybody got any ideas on how to dry the clutch plates?
Cheers.
Stu get a pressure washer if its not too cold and jet it all off if the clutch is soaked in water put the car ingear (somewhere empty and a lot of space) and let the clutch out and let it slip untill it drys out always worked for me after floating in a flood
>> Edited by dennisthemenace on Sunday 5th January 01:18
>> Edited by dennisthemenace on Sunday 5th January 01:18
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