The results of drink driving....
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Quite possibly the most shocking thing I have seen in a long time, found this on another message board (mainly US based) and there were people there who openly admitted they had been done for DUI before and will never do it again after this. Maybe something positive will come of this tradegy.
>>> Edited by rpguk on Sunday 2nd February 18:45
Quite possibly the most shocking thing I have seen in a long time, found this on another message board (mainly US based) and there were people there who openly admitted they had been done for DUI before and will never do it again after this. Maybe something positive will come of this tradegy.
>>> Edited by rpguk on Sunday 2nd February 18:45
I personally have never, and will never drink and drive. I can drink a hell of a lot after a week at work but thouroughly believe that you can feel the effects of even 1 pint. IMHO you shouldn't drive if you've had anything to drink.
This story would be an example of the reasons why.
This story would be an example of the reasons why.
All Terrain said:I dont Drive if I've had anything to drink, and infact I dont drink that often, but that IMAGE. it made my stomach turn!!!
Poor Girl
What a crap quality of life.
Actually this has "done the rounds" before.
Apart from the total needlesness(?) of the whole situation the fact that this young women has had the strength to continue fighting for her recovery is a testiment to the strength of the human spirit.
God bless her.
That girl stands right up there with the likes of Simon Weston and quite a few others who display immense barvery and determination to overcome appalling injury, disfigurement and disability. Incidentally a search of her name on Google presents some sites with more details - awe-inspiring and not just her but her father who has all but given up his life to help his daughter. If this story has indeed "done the rounds" already, I must have missed it or not registered it - my thanks to rpguk for posting that link - food-for-thought and inspiration.
I have previously driven after drinking what I considered to be less than the legal limit - never aagain - not a drop.
I have previously driven after drinking what I considered to be less than the legal limit - never aagain - not a drop.
mybrainhurts said: Share your sympathy with this poor lass, but why the alcohol reaction?
I remember a French girl, in my neck of the woods, who was burned to death in her parked car when a brick-laden lorry made a small error of judgement.
This can happen anywhere, to anyone. Alcohol or not.
Because alcohol affects your judgement, you are more likely to make a small error, which can result in incidents such as this and the one you describe.
Read it again.
Why be hyper sensitive about alcohol when the same damage can result from tiredness, boredom, reaching for the radio, sneezing, carelessness, misjudging the speed of others, pulling out of a T without looking, jumping a red light?
The list is endless.
Why is it only alcohol that regularly provokes hysteria?
Don't we all know by now?
Why be hyper sensitive about alcohol when the same damage can result from tiredness, boredom, reaching for the radio, sneezing, carelessness, misjudging the speed of others, pulling out of a T without looking, jumping a red light?
The list is endless.
Why is it only alcohol that regularly provokes hysteria?
Don't we all know by now?
Because alcohol also makes people believe they are fine whereas the others you mention you have more control over.
Case in point tiredness. If I feel tired I take that into consideration driver more carefully, open windows, do a commentary and so on. Equally if I feel I'm too tired I take a break.
Alcohol has the affect of dramatically altering your judgement without the person realising it. You can drive and think "your fine" in fact the b*ll*cks of "I drive better when I've had a few" in other words you notice less when you've had a few so aren't so worried.
Drink driving is inexcusable in my books. We all make mistakes but drinking and driving isn't a mistake its deliberate. I think information like the link above hopefully will drive this message home.
Case in point tiredness. If I feel tired I take that into consideration driver more carefully, open windows, do a commentary and so on. Equally if I feel I'm too tired I take a break.
Alcohol has the affect of dramatically altering your judgement without the person realising it. You can drive and think "your fine" in fact the b*ll*cks of "I drive better when I've had a few" in other words you notice less when you've had a few so aren't so worried.
Drink driving is inexcusable in my books. We all make mistakes but drinking and driving isn't a mistake its deliberate. I think information like the link above hopefully will drive this message home.
What the fact that drink driving was and still is (I believe) a major factor in road accidents. The other point is that mybrainhurts other examples are mistakes made by people. Yes they can have the same tradic circumstances but it has to be unlucky.
and look at it realistically, mybrainhurts is on the money
Drink driving isn't about luck its about taking charge of a machine whilst you are not fit to do so. Drink driving accidents ARE preventable.
I always thought about it this way: If I had a drink and drove home and had an accident (not even involving anyone else) If I hadn't had that drink could I have prevented it? Would my judgement have been that split second faster? Thats why I don't drink and drive. THe other good bit about the above link they also show its devastated the drivers life as well as others.
put a story to pictures and it all seems that booze is bad.the fact is that booze+cars is a mixture for disaster.
but what most people fail to realise is that motor vehicles are very dangerous all the time.
you can be 100%in control and at 100% attention and still die or be maimed in a wreck.
i dont know who said it but its a good analogy that driving on the public highway is like formation flying with people who dont practice and dont know the moves.
think about it you pass people within about a foot with a closing speed of 150mph or more and you expect them to get thier bit right.usually they do.
but accidents happen,no i am totally against drink driving and drug driving and the fact is that drink and drugs do affect road safety.
however the sad truth is that most accidents are caused by people not paying attention to the world around them,be it changing a cd,doing your hair,using a phone,driving on a familiar road.
the last one is a wake up call.
most serious injuries/deaths in car accidents happen on roads the driver knows well.
think about it.
infact keep thinking and stay aware of the bad things just around the corner or on the straight
but what most people fail to realise is that motor vehicles are very dangerous all the time.
you can be 100%in control and at 100% attention and still die or be maimed in a wreck.
i dont know who said it but its a good analogy that driving on the public highway is like formation flying with people who dont practice and dont know the moves.
think about it you pass people within about a foot with a closing speed of 150mph or more and you expect them to get thier bit right.usually they do.
but accidents happen,no i am totally against drink driving and drug driving and the fact is that drink and drugs do affect road safety.
however the sad truth is that most accidents are caused by people not paying attention to the world around them,be it changing a cd,doing your hair,using a phone,driving on a familiar road.
the last one is a wake up call.
most serious injuries/deaths in car accidents happen on roads the driver knows well.
think about it.
infact keep thinking and stay aware of the bad things just around the corner or on the straight
smeagol said:What the fact that drink driving was and still is (I believe) a major factor in road accidents.
That may be true. But so are others - tiredness, unwell, etc etc.
Drink driving isn't about luck its about taking charge of a machine whilst you are not fit to do so. Drink driving accidents ARE preventable.
As are accidents relating to tiredness etc. The driver who has a cold and is feeling a bit tired - and gets behind the wheel - is probably a greater risk than many drink drivers, and yet 'morally' doesn't see themselves as doing anything wrong. "Its only a cold", "I'm only a bit tired", "I've only had a couple" - spot the difference?
As stated in the other thread on this topic, risk of accident statistically drops from zero alcohol up to about 40mg, and only climbs back to the same risk as zero alcohol at about 60mg, or 3/4 of the legal limit. So those who say 'I won't even have one' may be higher risk drivers than those who have...
The limit is (IMHO) about right - the risk starts to climb quite steeply from there.
The difference is that the cold, bit tired person KNOWS that their judgemnet is off and should drive accordingly (I know when I drive with a cold I do) larger stopping distances watching speed taking more breaks and so on. The alcohol driver "thinks" they are fine and may even increase speed/risks by doing so. Don't forget that alcohol increases your confidence.
As are accidents relating to tiredness etc. The driver who has a cold and is feeling a bit tired - and gets behind the wheel - is probably a greater risk than many drink drivers, and yet 'morally' doesn't see themselves as doing anything wrong. "Its only a cold", "I'm only a bit tired", "I've only had a couple" - spot the difference?
As stated in the other thread on this topic, risk of accident statistically drops from zero alcohol up to about 40mg, and only climbs back to the same risk as zero alcohol at about 60mg, or 3/4 of the legal limit. So those who say 'I won't even have one' may be higher risk drivers than those who have...
I love to know where these figures come from and who was tested. I have a friend that could have a drink and it wouldn't affect him as he is large and drinks often (he doesn't drink and drive I hasen to add). I on the other hand don't drink and have a metobolic rate through the roof. Even if I have one drink I'm drunk. This kind of statistic is flawed as alcohol affects people in different ways depending on the amount of food they've had, their mood, how tired they are, and so on. The risk going down is the fact that people drive better if they are relaxed but concentrating. (like examinations students that are relaxed but well revised do better than tense) I'm sure the same statistic could be made with just some simple relaxing technique.
The limit is (IMHO) about right - the risk starts to climb quite steeply from there.
I don't believe in zero tollerance. A cough sweet for example contains alcohol and if it makes you feel better you will concentrate better. I would like to see the idea that one alcoholic drink was "over the limit" at the moment people believe "oh you can have a couple" when in fact a lot of peoples judgement is affected adversly by then.
>> Edited by smeagol on Monday 3rd February 11:53
smeagol said:The difference is that the cold, bit tired person KNOWS that their judgemnet is off and should drive accordingly (I know when I drive with a cold I do) larger stopping distances watching speed taking more breaks and so on. The alcohol driver "thinks" they are fine and may even increase speed/risks by doing so. Don't forget that alcohol increases your confidence.
As are accidents relating to tiredness etc. The driver who has a cold and is feeling a bit tired - and gets behind the wheel - is probably a greater risk than many drink drivers, and yet 'morally' doesn't see themselves as doing anything wrong. "Its only a cold", "I'm only a bit tired", "I've only had a couple" - spot the difference?
Which is also one of the reasons for the drop in accident risk with small amounts of alcohol - people know they have had a drink, and drive more carefully.
As stated in the other thread on this topic, risk of accident statistically drops from zero alcohol up to about 40mg, and only climbs back to the same risk as zero alcohol at about 60mg, or 3/4 of the legal limit. So those who say 'I won't even have one' may be higher risk drivers than those who have...
I love to know where these figures come from...
http://raru.adelaide.edu.au/T95/paper/s9p2.html
Note that the small drop in risk has been observed in other studies too.
...and who was tested. I have a friend that could have a drink and it wouldn't affect him as he is large and drinks often (he doesn't drink and drive I hasen to add). I on the other hand don't drink and have a metobolic rate through the roof. Even if I have one drink I'm drunk. This kind of statistic is flawed as alcohol affects people in different ways depending on the amount of food they've had, their mood, how tired they are, and so on. The risk going down is the fact that people drive better if they are relaxed but concentrating. (like examinations students that are relaxed but well revised do better than tense) I'm sure the same statistic could be made with just some simple relaxing technique.
As with all binary limits. There are those who I wouldn't trust to drive at 40 in a 60, and those where I'd be happy at 80. Statistics aren't binary, they follow a distribution. Unfortunately, having limits (speed or alcohol) based on more than a simple number is too hard to define or enforce, so a simple number has to do, even though it leads to anomalies.
The limit is (IMHO) about right - the risk starts to climb quite steeply from there.
I don't believe in zero tollerance. A cough sweet for example contains alcohol and if it makes you feel better you will concentrate better. I would like to see the idea that one alcoholic drink was "over the limit" at the moment people believe "oh you can have a couple" when in fact a lot of peoples judgement is affected adversly by then.
I prefer to go by objective research - is the section in italics above your opinion, or backed up? (Not antagonistic, just asking...
) Please note, I'm not condoning driving in any scenario where you are not fit to do so - but excess alcohol is only one of those. Driving with defective eyesight is a major problem on the roads - but why is this not seen as a moral thing - people choose to get into cars and drive when they can't see 30 feet in front of them?
Driving with bald tyres?
Deja Vu all over again... 
wah wah wah don't drink and drive.. bollocks.. come down from high horses .. oh hang on.. no need.. I can feel narcoleptic seizure gripping m..
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>> Edited by CarZee (moderator) on Monday 3rd February 13:04
wah wah wah don't drink and drive.. bollocks.. come down from high horses .. oh hang on.. no need.. I can feel narcoleptic seizure gripping m..
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>> Edited by CarZee (moderator) on Monday 3rd February 13:04
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