V8 engines for 2030
Discussion
Oilchange said:
Has this been mentioned?
MBen-S is on Insta saying this
Original plan was for 2031. Sadly, it has been mostly ruined since I excitedly started that thread; it looks like they are going with low-revving turbos. MBen-S is on Insta saying this
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Oilchange said:
Audi appear to want to keep turbos, mmm.
Wouldn't it be nice to have a screaming N/A going at 15-16,000 rpm !
Aiui the majority/all teams gave the nod to turbo and retaining electrical assistance. But the electrical side is thankfully expected to go back to what it was before this season - basically just a useful extra ~150hp to help passing and save a thimble full of fuel.Wouldn't it be nice to have a screaming N/A going at 15-16,000 rpm !
We were never going to get screaming NA's!
Times change, and we change with them.
sto66 said:
Wouldn't it be better to have a relatively simple V8 and then ALL teams must produce their own engine?
Have it so engine design can still be rewarded.
It would be if there weren't commercial considerations. But we've all chosen to follow a sport born by commercial interests, that maintains those interests to this day.Have it so engine design can still be rewarded.
The sport has stuck to it's roots, selling cars. It's the world of cars that changed.
Jasandjules said:
I can't imagine this getting past the eco nonsense brigade but......
Often referred to as a popular bogey man figure - but although many people don't like motor sport (which for them (and many on PH) only means F1 ) I have never once heard an opinion about engine tech by non enthusiasts. Sure,some manufacturers push for hybrids because it's what they sell, but that is commercial expedience . not zealotry .As for V8s , nothing much to see here really . F1 V8s are invariably flat plane and while they can make a lot of noise it's rarely as sonorous as other configurations. The irony is that a V6 turbo can make an absolutely wonderful bellow, as anyone who stood trackside in the 1.5 Turbo era can attest . The Honda, Renault and TAG engines especially - all V6 twin turbo - coud wake the dead .
coppice said:
Often referred to as a popular bogey man figure - but although many people don't like motor sport (which for them (and many on PH) only means F1 ) I have never once heard an opinion about engine tech by non enthusiasts. Sure,some manufacturers push for hybrids because it's what they sell, but that is commercial expedience . not zealotry .
As for V8s , nothing much to see here really . F1 V8s are invariably flat plane and while they can make a lot of noise it's rarely as sonorous as other configurations. The irony is that a V6 turbo can make an absolutely wonderful bellow, as anyone who stood trackside in the 1.5 Turbo era can attest . The Honda, Renault and TAG engines especially - all V6 twin turbo - coud wake the dead .
I would rather see 6, 10, or 12 cylinder configurations than V8s. The harmonics are generally better. As for V8s , nothing much to see here really . F1 V8s are invariably flat plane and while they can make a lot of noise it's rarely as sonorous as other configurations. The irony is that a V6 turbo can make an absolutely wonderful bellow, as anyone who stood trackside in the 1.5 Turbo era can attest . The Honda, Renault and TAG engines especially - all V6 twin turbo - coud wake the dead .
TheDeuce said:
sto66 said:
The sport has stuck to it's roots, selling cars.
Err, no. Have a look at the longest-running F1 teams. Of the minority that were part of a company that sold road cars at all, the road cars funded the racing, rather than the racing advertising the road car business.HardtopManual said:
TheDeuce said:
The sport has stuck to it's roots, selling cars.
Err, no. Have a look at the longest-running F1 teams. Of the minority that were part of a company that sold road cars at all, the road cars funded the racing, rather than the racing advertising the road car business.Not that I fully agree with Deuce's comment, but I guess there is truth in it because a few big manufacturers have had involvement in F1 since a long time now.
Depends how far you go back - in the 60s there was only Ferrari and occasionally Maserati , both very small firms then ,with most engines from firms like Coventry Climax , BRM , Repco and latterly the Ford badged Cosworth DFV . Honda and Porsche dipped their toes in , to little effect. F1 In the 70s was effecitively Formula DFV until Renault upste the applecart in 77 with the V6 turbo , which tempted BMW and Honda et al
coppice said:
Depends how far you go back - in the 60s there was only Ferrari and occasionally Maserati , both very small firms then ,with most engines from firms like Coventry Climax , BRM , Repco and latterly the Ford badged Cosworth DFV . Honda and Porsche dipped their toes in , to little effect. F1 In the 70s was effecitively Formula DFV until Renault upste the applecart in 77 with the V6 turbo , which tempted BMW and Honda et al
So going back half a century, the engine manufacturers have tended to be mainstream car manufacturers (and Ferrari). Thus it should not be a surprise that car manufacturers have legitimate influence over the engine rules for F1.braddo said:
coppice said:
Depends how far you go back - in the 60s there was only Ferrari and occasionally Maserati , both very small firms then ,with most engines from firms like Coventry Climax , BRM , Repco and latterly the Ford badged Cosworth DFV . Honda and Porsche dipped their toes in , to little effect. F1 In the 70s was effecitively Formula DFV until Renault upste the applecart in 77 with the V6 turbo , which tempted BMW and Honda et al
So going back half a century, the engine manufacturers have tended to be mainstream car manufacturers (and Ferrari). Thus it should not be a surprise that car manufacturers have legitimate influence over the engine rules for F1.And with the power to influence the rules for their own commercial ends should come responsibility. Such as agreeing to remain for at least a defined period and not just to shut up the F1 shop when they please . Who's walked since 1999 ? BMW, Peugeot , Toyota , Honda adn Ford , sometimes on no notice at all .If you sup with the devil , do so with a very long spoon ....
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