RE: 'Greatest road-car V12 ever made'
RE: 'Greatest road-car V12 ever made'
Wednesday 29th July 2020

'Greatest road-car V12' - now at 8,000rpm

Headphones on. Volume up. New bench test footage of Gordon Murray Automotive's 3.9-litre is here



Last week we were given the full specification of Gordon Murray Automotive’s Cosworth-developed 3.9-litre V12, and now we’re provided with video footage revealing its tone at 8,000rpm. That’s 4,100 revs below that record-breaking limiter, so it’s not quite at maximum pitch. Yet, as you can hear for yourself in the video below, it sounds absolutely fantastic. Like an old Le Mans prototype motor. Just imagine what 12,100rpm will be like.

The video also provides us with another angle of the compact twelve’s beautifully sculpted exhaust manifolds, which flow out from the high-strength aluminium motor beneath an intake bearing four throttle bodies. The 1.66hp per litre engine is being allowed to run without ancillary belts, so it’ll remain this clean and beautiful in the engine bay, if not more.

It’s a teaser, though, given how much further this 178kg engine is capable of going. Don’t forget, it has an idle to redline time of just 0.3 seconds, so it’s barely broken out into a mechanical job on the filmed bench run. Let’s just say we can’t see what shade of orange the pipework turns when the crank’s spun a little faster in the coming months...

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Original story: 21.07.2020

Gordon Murray Automotive has confirmed the full specification of the Cosworth V12 and Xtrac manual powertrain that will go into its T.50 hypercar – and to be frank, it's nothing short of phenomenal. This is a setup that’s claimed to be both enormously potent and tremendously visceral, setting new standards for lightness, responsiveness and character, while powering a hypercar that all in weighs a barely believable 980kg. Best get comfortable...

The all-new, bespoke motor is extremely compact for a V12 at 3.9-litres. Its technical setup was inspired by the BMW S70/2 found in the McLaren F1, the Honda RA121E of McLaren’s MP4/6 F1 racer and Murray’s most recent other innovation, the 11,500rpm motor of the Light Car Company’s Rocket, no less. GMA and Cosworth decided it was the optimal capacity to ensure low mass - making it the lightest atmospheric road V12 ever, and the most power dense with 166hp per litre.


The dry-sumped block is made from a high-strength aluminium alloy, the crankshaft is steel and weighs only 13kg, while the connecting rods and valves are made from titanium – along with the clutch housing. As a whole, the mid-mounted motor totals just 178kg, and so featherweight are its internals that it spins up more than three times faster than the F1’s V12 engine. GMA quotes an idle to 12,100rpm (the redline) time of 0.3 seconds. Three tenths. Let that sink in.

You might think that equates to a lot of top-end punch with gutless low-down performance, but of course Cosworth and GMA have ensured that will absolutely not be the case. The 3.9-litre does produce its 663hp peak at 11,500rpm and 344lb ft of torque arrives at 9,000rpm, but we’re told that 71 per cent of that twist (244lb ft) is available from 2,500rpm. This is also a sub-tonne car with a 48v belt driven starter assisting, so we’re expecting it to feel pretty tractable from all starting points.

The V12’s mated to a bespoke H-pattern manual gearbox, too, lending the driver full control with “the best shift action of any road car” thanks to work with renowned transmission firm Xtrac. The ‘box is only 80kg, with an aluminium casing that’s only 2.4mm thick and a selector that’s been honed meticulously for optimal weighting. The lever is said to move through the gate with a short, positive throw from cog to cog, of which there are five close ratios and a longer sixth, for more refined cruising.

You won’t need us to convince you that a 11,500rpm-capable V12 is liable to sound terrific, but GMA does emphasise it with confirmation of the car’s induction setup. The cold air ram intake, which is placed just over the driver’s head, is said to project a low-rev intake growl that “intensifies” into a high rpm scream – as the numbers suggest. The intake’s carbon skin is of varying thicknesses to amplify the tone. Murray said that at high revs, “the V12 will sing like nothing else on the road”.

The motor delivers 100 per cent of its power to the driveline, with none lost through belt driven ancillaries – something Murray wanted from the outset. A positive knock on is the pureness of the engine’s design in the bay; there are no additional parts to spoil its look – something that leaves it looking more thoroughbred racing car than anything else. And a technical achievement with absolutely no roadgoing comparisons – all packaged into a platform of hopefully equal prowess. The full reveal will take place on 4th August.


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jmcc500

Original Poster:

664 posts

235 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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Sounds like a configuration optimised for stalling!

julian64

14,317 posts

271 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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First new car for a very long time which is genuinely interesting in every respect.

BTW I drove to work today in a v8 with 125kg engine weight, and that engine is very old now.

Obviously weight saving can be done

TA14

13,159 posts

275 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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Great to see a British engine.

SturdyHSV

10,297 posts

184 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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<tongueincheek>

The world:

E92 M3 has no torque, feels really gutless and makes no power until 8,000 rpm

Gordon Murray:

Hold my beer...

</tongueincheek>


PPEhero

250 posts

92 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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Amazing would like to hear it. Must be way too much for the ‘normal’ people that will buy them. Probably so much so that they’ll all end up in a collection and only ever driven round at 1500rpm

SFO

5,170 posts

200 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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12100 peak rpm!!!

absolutely incredible for any car engine, let alone a V12

wooowww

998420

923 posts

168 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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Great, now I have just messed my underpants, and poor Greta Thunderthingy is in tears..

NewUsername

925 posts

73 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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The most interesting hypercar since forever.....

Bombjack

483 posts

284 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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jmcc500 said:
Sounds like a configuration optimised for stalling!
I guess the 48V motor will be used to mitigate that issue.

shalmaneser

6,202 posts

212 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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So with a 48V starter/generator is it actually a very mild hybrid? The reporting seems to imply there will be some torque fill...

press release on GM website said said:
In its most extreme aerodynamic setting – Vmax Mode – the T.50 is optimised for outright performance. Here, while gaining around 50PS from the car’s 48-volt integrated starter-generator, the car combines motorsport slipstream technology and ram air induction to boost performance even further.
Interesting. Mild hybrid manual transmission. Should be good!

Edited by shalmaneser on Tuesday 21st July 14:49

The spinner of plates

18,079 posts

217 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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NewUsername said:
The most interesting hypercar since forever.....
Yeah agreed...

Maybe Gordon still has it in the locker. Since the F1 it’s seemed to be a bit... all over the place.

Terminator X

18,027 posts

221 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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Billionaires of the world rejoice! Good that they are making it though thumbup

TX.

Spinner20

118 posts

137 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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Thank goodness a you tuber has little chance of getting one otherwise it would look like this:

- first drive impressions
- exhaust swap video
- wrapping video
- how expensive the finance is video
- finance caught up with me and selling it video
- wrap removal video
- what will i buy next video

Clearly this is not something your cheapo GT3 owner who only rev's to 9k is going to be able to afford anytime soon but whomever gets the first 12k rpm run video will surely get some views.

Bathroom_Security

3,617 posts

134 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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SturdyHSV said:
<tongueincheek>

The world:

E92 M3 has no torque, feels really gutless and makes no power until 8,000 rpm

Gordon Murray:

Hold my beer...

</tongueincheek>
E92 m3 is also 600kg heavier.

This is honestly the first engine in the last 5 to 10 years thats been interesting in a soup of EVs and turbocharged nonsense. Its as though they have gone backwards 15 years

NewUsername

925 posts

73 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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Spinner20 said:
Thank goodness a you tuber has little chance of getting one otherwise it would look like this:

- first drive impressions
- exhaust swap video
- wrapping video
- how expensive the finance is video
- finance caught up with me and selling it video
- wrap removal video
- what will i buy next video

Clearly this is not something your cheapo GT3 owner who only rev's to 9k is going to be able to afford anytime soon but whomever gets the first 12k rpm run video will surely get some views.
Yep and then some outlandishly named tuning company that sounds very historical but is run by Keith on the Dorking trading estate will lower it by 10 mm, fit a vile new bumper and skirts with some carbon trim , a quick tweak of the map for another 1 bhp and will claim its track optimised.

Magikarp

1,361 posts

65 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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I’m looking forward to what Max makes of this.

budgie smuggler

5,756 posts

176 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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166 BHP/L ... eek

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

114 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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jmcc500 said:
Sounds like a configuration optimised for stalling!
Well, it sure is the right configuration for giving me an erection.

steveb8189

509 posts

208 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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budgie smuggler said:
166 BHP/L ... eek
Pretty much the same as an RS3...

Nerdherder

1,773 posts

114 months

Tuesday 21st July 2020
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Oh, and can we get that high revving 3 cylinder from the development video in some small hatchbacks and roadsters too please. And as V6 for small exec cars and a fast version of, say, the Alpine A110?