RE: Audi RS6 Plus (C5) | PH Heroes
RE: Audi RS6 Plus (C5) | PH Heroes
Sunday 24th September 2023

Audi RS6 Plus (C5) | PH Heroes

The template for the modern fast estate is more than 20 years old. And awesome


There’s nothing like proving your contemporaries right the first time around. That’s exactly what the first Audi RS6 did in 2002. Think about the cream of the current fast estate crop, those mighty wagons that represent (or recently represented) the genre at its very best: the Mercedes-AMG E63 used a twin-turbo 4.0-litre V8 engine, an automatic gearbox and four-wheel drive to devastating effect. The Alpina B5 used a twin-turbo 4.4-litre V8 engine, an automatic gearbox and four-wheel drive to d… you get the idea. The Germans have dallied over the years with rear-drive estates, screaming atmospheric engines, dual-clutch gearboxes, automated manuals - everything. But we can probably all agree that the most recent iterations have nailed the brief most emphatically, having followed and enhanced the template actually set out by an Audi launched in 2002: the first RS6 was powered by a twin-turbo 4.2-litre V8 engine, and power went to all four wheels via an automatic gearbox.

That’s a fairly simplistic assessment, of course - engines, transmissions and 4WD systems have improved significantly since then - though it’s notable that even Audi itself felt they could only improve on that basic formula rather than reinvent it. The RS6 after this one went to a V10, with a mixed reception, before reverting back to a V8 (now 4.0-litres) in the C7 of 2013. Three-quarters of RS6s - the best ones - have used a V8 of around 4.0 litres with two turbos, an automatic gearbox (with anything from five to eight ratios) and, of course, Quattro all-wheel drive. There really is very little beating it for uberwagon supremacy.

But the end is nigh. With the Performance model of the current RS6 now on sale (boasting exactly 30hp more than standard, just like this C5 Plus), there’s not long left for a C8 generation first launched in 2019. And there is unlikely to be another RS6 finessing a familiar layout next time around, with Audi’s electric Avant concept already shown and the teasing well underway of a potential RS EV. As seems to be written all too frequently at the moment, the tale of an iconic dynasty is reaching its denouement. Time to revisit the OG then. 

It's amazing to think given the plethora of models that followed that the C5 RS6 was only the third Audi RS model ever. For the record, it was RS2 in 1994, B5 RS4 quite a few years later, then this in 2002, back when there was only one RS in the lineup at a time. As was the one-upmanship fashion for the German carmakers back in the early 2000s, the RS6 blew everything else out of the water, with almost 100hp more than an E55 AMG and even a healthy advantage over the E39 M5 thanks to that wodge of twin-turbo torque. The car you see here is the ultimate C5, the RS6 Plus that was made for the final six months of production in 2004; only 1,000 were built, with 77 RHD cars coming to the UK. Power was up to 480hp, the limiter raised to 174mph, and the price increased to £66,575 (or almost £115k in today’s money)… the only thing lowered was the ride height, by another 10mm.

Perhaps it’s a shallow observation - and it’ll certainly be helped by Audi’s example being a 22k minter - but this old A6 still looks absolutely tremendous. For an estate car with its roots in the mid-1990s, it still perfectly blends intimidation with subtlety like the best of them. Perhaps better - the current RS6 is probably a bit OTT, however modestly specced. The flare of the arches here is flawless, the stance on those chunky alloys perfect, and the tiny RS giveaways a masterclass in discreet intent. Those that know will nod in appreciation, still. And maybe it’s not a shallow thing, at all: pretty soon every single C5 RS6 will be at least 20 years old, bordering on classic status if they aren’t already. With the various travails classic ownership entails (especially ownership of an old, heavy, complex Audi), you’ll want to admire the machine so much time and money will inevitably go on. Don’t see many ugly old cars around, right? The RS6, all these years on, has definitely still got it. Look!

To drive, this RS6 achieves a very neat trick. Here, in one handsome blue estate car, is everything that’s good and bad about the old Audi way of making performance flagships. The bad is as you might expect, if nowhere near as egregious as you might have been told: the steering is aloof, the suspension underdamped, the balance very nose heavy and so on. The five-speed auto is a bit dim even by the standards of the era, too. Handily, however, the good is compelling, which is why these cars always proved so frustrating for so long - if only everything could have been as sorted as the great bits, then there would have been some sensational fast Audis made. As it was both cars and strategy were inconsistent; for every B7 RS4 there were plenty far less brilliant.

Predictably enough, the engine is an absolute triumph of a V8. Cosworth was famously involved with both the RS4 V6 and this 4.2 and, well, they did something right. Even two decades on, its ability to pick up from very few revs and romp so fiercely to 7,000rpm really is remarkable. There’s so little lag and so much responsiveness where you wouldn’t expect to find it, urgently responding to every throttle input and willing to hurl you down the road at an indecent pace. The sound - assisted in the Plus by a standard sports exhaust - is great, a muted V8 woofle that never threatens to overwhelm proceedings but isn’t too subdued either.

For getting from a start point to a destination with the least hassle and the most speed, this old Audi still takes some beating. Buyers of expensive, luxurious fast estates don’t need them to be the very best, most engaging cars to drive - look how many V10 M5 Tourings sold for proof of that. They need to get far away, typically, with vats of performance in reserve and complete confidence in the car underneath them. That’s what the C5 still offers in 2023; in the early noughties it must have felt like Concorde.

In appropriately grotty conditions, the RS6 tracks like a bullet train, brakes with total composure, and always finds purchase as long as the entry speed isn’t too optimistic. It cruises authoritatively, the ride levels out with speed, and you’re soon finding an excuse to add more miles to a journey just to further appreciate the mighty experience. Excitement isn’t top of the bill because it doesn’t need to be. The RS6 excels at effortless, unflappable ground covering. With a monster V8.

Those comparisons with the E39 M5 back in the day - remember there was a four-door RS6 available as well - must have been fascinating. It’s easy to imagine the BMW being the supersaloon of choice for a day of hooning around with its single-driven axle and manual gearbox, but nobody being unhappy in the slightest about being given the Audi for the journey home from some far-flung location. Probably with all the photographer’s gear in the back, still able to go faster than the BMW in any situation. While probably attracting less attention, too. Having had the privilege of getting behind the wheel of an M5 again recently for the PH25 finale, it’s undoubtedly the more rewarding car to drive (even with its own less-than-perfect steering), though there remains something irresistible about how the RS6 disdainfully bats away any challenge.

That being said, the mind still wanders as to what it might have been like a couple of years down the line, perhaps with a sharper auto, clever differentials or more favourable weight distribution. So much is already so sorted that you can’t help but crave a car with everything at that level. Which brings us back to the fast Audi paradox. Arguably that car is the C7 of 2013, the return of the V8 and peak RS6 for many. As it is, the C5 is very fast, very easy to rub along with and very cool, and that’s hardly a bad place to build a legacy. The interior is stoic yet superbly built (natch), the traction immense, and the feeling of total control and confidence pretty addictive.

All of which might not actually be a bad starting place for an electric RS. If neither the super EV nor the mega Audi has ever been the most tactile of driving devices, then a merger of the two sounds ideal. Moreover, snowballing advancements in electric motors and the software that marshals them are being portrayed as the next step forward in four-wheel-drive performance cars. And we already know that Audi can make a great-looking electric RS car - just look at the GT. The demise of the V8 is sad because it brought us cars as charismatic as this RS6, but the C5 is a decent reminder that the recent past wasn't exemplary in every regard. Let's hope its spiritual successor can go one better...


SPECIFICATION | AUDI RS6 QUATTRO AVANT (C5)

Engine: 4,172cc V8
Transmission: 5-speed Tiptronic, four-wheel drive
Power (hp): 450@5,700-6,400rpm (Plus 480@ 6,000-6,400rpm)
Torque (lb ft): 413@1,950-5,600rpm (Plus 1,950-6,000rpm)
0-62mph: 4.7sec (Plus 4.6sec)
Top speed: 155mph (Plus 174mph, both limited)
Weight: 1,880kg (Plus 1,865kg)
On sale: 2002-2004
Price new: £58,800 (2002), £66,675 (2004 Plus )
Price now: £11,000+, good luck finding a Plus…

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Turini

Original Poster:

454 posts

186 months

Saturday 23rd September 2023
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Reliability issues aside always liked the C5 RS6. They did a Plus version of the C4 S6 which instead of using the 5 cylinder turbo had the V8 with a mere 325 bhp. What an evolution of power and performance we’ve seen

Quhet

2,768 posts

166 months

Saturday 23rd September 2023
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Such a good looking car. There would absolutely be space for one of these in my fantasy garage

Niffty951

2,378 posts

248 months

Saturday 23rd September 2023
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I love the original RS6, for me it was never surpassed by Audi. It felt the best made, it looked sleek and in sound & styling it was stealthy. As a previously unknown concept (before the RS2) it was recognised by only the few on the road and with respect given for it's weight, it was a pleasure to drive with surprisingly responsive controls and communicative steering.

Today, I think the Tesla Model 3 Performance has taken up the baton. It just does what the RS6 does so well, but even better. You can winge about the interior, but drive one 300miles and you'll find it's a superbly comfortable and pleasant place to sit with it's IKEA like minimalism and full panoramic glass roof, the suround sound stereo system sounds like a concert hall and the seats are superb. The miles melt away.

In the wet, through standing water, another RS6 high bar, the car feels more stable and reassuring than any car I've ever driven. Seemingly using it's instant torque modulation between the wheels to direct the car where the steering wheel is pointing, beyond the expected limits of mechanical traction. Its like an R35 GTR but without all the fuss and grinding noises.

What about the sound? In a luxury cruiser like the RS6, the Teslas absence of sound is a feature in itself, whispering through the trees and mountains like a Rolls Royce is actually a unique pleasure, but ask it to hustle and just like the RS6 it'll embarrass supercars of it's day.. and not just in a straight line. Also, just like the RS6 the controls and contact points are surprisingly bright and responsive. It's fun to hustle!

The only big difference in driving (in my mind) Tesla's RS6 replacement is that my daily 80 mile commute costs me £1.50 a day, charging at my current overnight rate of 7.5p per kwh. Vs £33.50 a day in an RS6 assuming a generous 18mpg average and £1.66 per ltr.

It even deprecated like an RS6 smile meaning you can now pick up a 4year old car with sensible miles for the price of an old RS6.

Pistonheads comparison test anyone?

Dg504

336 posts

183 months

Saturday 23rd September 2023
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I think you’re up early sniffing glue

Court_S

14,476 posts

197 months

Saturday 23rd September 2023
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I like the C5 RS6. I used to see a saloon and an estate locally regularly, but I’ve not seen one for ages now. I guess being rather needy means they’ll get less and less use.

I miss the days when these cars were subtle; the current one is way OTT for me. The RS6 peaked with the C7 in my opinion.

Niffty951

2,378 posts

248 months

Saturday 23rd September 2023
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Dg504 said:
I think you’re up early sniffing glue
clapbiglaugh

GreatScott2016

2,129 posts

108 months

Saturday 23rd September 2023
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Cracking looking barges.

Mouse Rat

2,004 posts

112 months

Saturday 23rd September 2023
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I've got a lot of admiration for the C5 A6, a car we'll ahead of it's time and the design still looks stunning 20 years on.
The interior build quality is excellent.

I remember test driving the RS6 shortly after it release. I was amazed by the point and squirt performance. Something rarely matched even today.

Saying all this after 10 minutes I was bored. It was dull.
After the test drive a left in my normal BMW 323 with under half the power but in contrast was much more comfortable and better to drive.

The A6 is still one of my favourite cars. But the best ones are the diesels, not the RS6.

Wab1974uk

1,216 posts

47 months

Saturday 23rd September 2023
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How much nicer were Audi interiors back then, compared to todays cars.

shugt

9 posts

38 months

Saturday 23rd September 2023
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Tesla…RS6??? WTF!! Glad I don’t know that person.

Slowlygettingit

837 posts

61 months

Saturday 23rd September 2023
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Really liked these when they came out - then saw Layer Cake and they became even cooler in my mind. Can’t see one now without an internal Cult soundtrack.
Even a coupe of weeks ago went to a wedding in the gt4 but in my mind the long drive to the country house was recreating the layer cake scene.

Never driven one and no idea how ‘bad’ the handling and steering really are. But in a parallel universe would love to daily one of these for at least a short period.

Bobtherallyfan

1,451 posts

98 months

Saturday 23rd September 2023
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Dg504 said:
I think you’re up early sniffing glue
My thoughts exactly…..The Tesla is far too common to be considered in the same breath….it’s a modern Mondeo in its purpose.

Water Fairy

6,343 posts

175 months

Saturday 23rd September 2023
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Niffty951 said:
I love the original RS6, for me it was never surpassed by Audi. It felt the best made, it looked sleek and in sound & styling it was stealthy. As a previously unknown concept (before the RS2) it was recognised by only the few on the road and with respect given for it's weight, it was a pleasure to drive with surprisingly responsive controls and communicative steering.

Today, I think the Tesla Model 3 Performance has taken up the baton. It just does what the RS6 does so well, but even better. You can winge about the interior, but drive one 300miles and you'll find it's a superbly comfortable and pleasant place to sit with it's IKEA like minimalism and full panoramic glass roof, the suround sound stereo system sounds like a concert hall and the seats are superb. The miles melt away.

In the wet, through standing water, another RS6 high bar, the car feels more stable and reassuring than any car I've ever driven. Seemingly using it's instant torque modulation between the wheels to direct the car where the steering wheel is pointing, beyond the expected limits of mechanical traction. Its like an R35 GTR but without all the fuss and grinding noises.

What about the sound? In a luxury cruiser like the RS6, the Teslas absence of sound is a feature in itself, whispering through the trees and mountains like a Rolls Royce is actually a unique pleasure, but ask it to hustle and just like the RS6 it'll embarrass supercars of it's day.. and not just in a straight line. Also, just like the RS6 the controls and contact points are surprisingly bright and responsive. It's fun to hustle!

The only big difference in driving (in my mind) Tesla's RS6 replacement is that my daily 80 mile commute costs me £1.50 a day, charging at my current overnight rate of 7.5p per kwh. Vs £33.50 a day in an RS6 assuming a generous 18mpg average and £1.66 per ltr.

It even deprecated like an RS6 smile meaning you can now pick up a 4year old car with sensible miles for the price of an old RS6.

Pistonheads comparison test anyone?
Put the crack pipe down and admit yourself

jason61c

5,978 posts

194 months

Saturday 23rd September 2023
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Niffty951 said:
I love the original RS6, for me it was never surpassed by Audi. It felt the best made, it looked sleek and in sound & styling it was stealthy. As a previously unknown concept (before the RS2) it was recognised by only the few on the road and with respect given for it's weight, it was a pleasure to drive with surprisingly responsive controls and communicative steering.

Today, I think the Tesla Model 3 Performance has taken up the baton. It just does what the RS6 does so well, but even better. You can winge about the interior, but drive one 300miles and you'll find it's a superbly comfortable and pleasant place to sit with it's IKEA like minimalism and full panoramic glass roof, the suround sound stereo system sounds like a concert hall and the seats are superb. The miles melt away.

In the wet, through standing water, another RS6 high bar, the car feels more stable and reassuring than any car I've ever driven. Seemingly using it's instant torque modulation between the wheels to direct the car where the steering wheel is pointing, beyond the expected limits of mechanical traction. Its like an R35 GTR but without all the fuss and grinding noises.

What about the sound? In a luxury cruiser like the RS6, the Teslas absence of sound is a feature in itself, whispering through the trees and mountains like a Rolls Royce is actually a unique pleasure, but ask it to hustle and just like the RS6 it'll embarrass supercars of it's day.. and not just in a straight line. Also, just like the RS6 the controls and contact points are surprisingly bright and responsive. It's fun to hustle!

The only big difference in driving (in my mind) Tesla's RS6 replacement is that my daily 80 mile commute costs me £1.50 a day, charging at my current overnight rate of 7.5p per kwh. Vs £33.50 a day in an RS6 assuming a generous 18mpg average and £1.66 per ltr.

It even deprecated like an RS6 smile meaning you can now pick up a 4year old car with sensible miles for the price of an old RS6.

Pistonheads comparison test anyone?
Bore off. No way comparable except they’ve 4 wheels.

Resolutionary

1,457 posts

191 months

Saturday 23rd September 2023
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Always has been and always will be a lottery win car for me. I'd buy the best I could find, in red or purple with ivory or tan interior, and manual swap it. The 5sp box was always the Achilles heel of the more powerful C5s, although my Allroad and S6 were fine in the years I owned them. Chap near me has a lovely dark blue example, often street parked and just a delight to see among the new-age soulless stuff.

As for the Tesla remarks, why is it always someone who owns one who has to sprout their noise? You'd think they sell themselves, being sooooo good and all.

Gez79

238 posts

203 months

Saturday 23rd September 2023
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Niffty951 said:
I love the original RS6, for me it was never surpassed by Audi. It felt the best made, it looked sleek and in sound & styling it was stealthy. As a previously unknown concept (before the RS2) it was recognised by only the few on the road and with respect given for it's weight, it was a pleasure to drive with surprisingly responsive controls and communicative steering.

Today, I think the Tesla Model 3 Performance has taken up the baton. It just does what the RS6 does so well, but even better. You can winge about the interior, but drive one 300miles and you'll find it's a superbly comfortable and pleasant place to sit with it's IKEA like minimalism and full panoramic glass roof, the suround sound stereo system sounds like a concert hall and the seats are superb. The miles melt away.

In the wet, through standing water, another RS6 high bar, the car feels more stable and reassuring than any car I've ever driven. Seemingly using it's instant torque modulation between the wheels to direct the car where the steering wheel is pointing, beyond the expected limits of mechanical traction. Its like an R35 GTR but without all the fuss and grinding noises.

What about the sound? In a luxury cruiser like the RS6, the Teslas absence of sound is a feature in itself, whispering through the trees and mountains like a Rolls Royce is actually a unique pleasure, but ask it to hustle and just like the RS6 it'll embarrass supercars of it's day.. and not just in a straight line. Also, just like the RS6 the controls and contact points are surprisingly bright and responsive. It's fun to hustle!

The only big difference in driving (in my mind) Tesla's RS6 replacement is that my daily 80 mile commute costs me £1.50 a day, charging at my current overnight rate of 7.5p per kwh. Vs £33.50 a day in an RS6 assuming a generous 18mpg average and £1.66 per ltr.

It even deprecated like an RS6 smile meaning you can now pick up a 4year old car with sensible miles for the price of an old RS6.

Pistonheads comparison test anyone?
Elon, is that you?

thebraketester

15,298 posts

158 months

Saturday 23rd September 2023
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Did someone just compare an RS6 to a Tesla M3?

Twoshoe

960 posts

204 months

Saturday 23rd September 2023
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It's a wind-up, surely?

SteveC72

155 posts

165 months

Saturday 23rd September 2023
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Back to the boatyard. Someone’s about to get a fking slap.

grumpy52

5,905 posts

186 months

Saturday 23rd September 2023
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The circuit doctor at Lydden had one ,he was also REACT doctor going out to incidents with the police as well as being the trauma consultant at the local A&E .
When he bought it from the dealer they did a couple of upgrades to it , removed the limiters .
When asked how fast it was he always replied that it was faster than him and much faster than the police vehicles that he followed to major incidents.
A big difference to my local GP in Yorkshire in the 60s who was one of the very early emergency doctors covering the A1 in his Standard Ensign Estate.