Conspiracy to Delete Older Cars?
Discussion
I've noticed recently that parts for older cars are being discontinued rapidly. Also, anacdotally, I heard that a (major German) brand was taking (not even that old) cars in part exchange and scrapping them rather than trying to sell or go to auction.
I suppose it makes sense if your'e trying to sell more new cars, but the markup on parts is massive so that must be a loss?
Any insider/trade info on this subject please?
I suppose it makes sense if your'e trying to sell more new cars, but the markup on parts is massive so that must be a loss?
Any insider/trade info on this subject please?
Robertb said:
Porsche seem to be working hard to support older cars, even developing new components for models such as the 996.
On the other hand I’ve heard that parts for early R8s can be tricky to get.
Interesting. I have a 997.2 that I bought a LSD for so need differential bearings. Porsche has discontinued them and Timken won't supply as they're under licence to Porsche. That car is effectively a write-off unless I can have bearing made somewhere.On the other hand I’ve heard that parts for early R8s can be tricky to get.
I think a lot of this is down to the lack of incentive to keep producing parts for older cars, as there is less money. The European car market is inan very difficult place and so I suspect they have little choice but to focus everything on survival, which probably doesn't include supporting the cars that only enthusiasts are interested in.
I moved my M6 on due to parts supply worries.
I moved my M6 on due to parts supply worries.
https://robbreport.com/motors/cars/honda-build-new...
Honda have just announced a classic parts support programme. Not sure if/when this is coming to the UK,or if it is worldwide. Nissan and Toyota do similar it seems..although i wasn't aware.
Honda have just announced a classic parts support programme. Not sure if/when this is coming to the UK,or if it is worldwide. Nissan and Toyota do similar it seems..although i wasn't aware.
Al Gorithum said:
Interesting. I have a 997.2 that I bought a LSD for so need differential bearings. Porsche has discontinued them and Timken won't supply as they're under licence to Porsche. That car is effectively a write-off unless I can have bearing made somewhere.
There must be a load of aftermarket LSD's available for the 997? 
ks but I've no evidence to support that view either.Al Gorithum said:
Levin said:
Pray tell, which German manufacturer was allegedly buying cars back to scrap them?
3 letters, beginning with B and ending with W. Anacdotal as mentioned, but I've had similar experiences with Porsche and Ford.Bearing in mind these are all franchises, i cant see why any franchise would scrap cars at a loss compared to putting them through auction. Who would reimburse them and how?
And were they just scrapping their "own" brand cars or every brand?
Used cars generate revenue for parts, repairs and servicing, albeit less so as cars get older. I've heard it said that franchises sell new cars to generate warranty, repairs, servicing and parts revenue down the line.
I do know that for a while there - havent checked recently - that scrap prices were high and it was worthwhile scrapping cars over auction. In fact a trader friend of a trader friend was making quite a comfortable living buying up cars for ££s at auction then weighing them in.
Recent problems getting genuine parts for a 2000 Audi A4 I’ve just bought. Main dealers not very helpful, Audi over in Germany however (the Tradition arm/website) have everything. The issue is you can’t order from the UK since Brexit, so have to source from a German buyer and have them shipped over (or a legacy 3rd party dealer over here).
But the point is, you can still get genuine parts if you know where to get them from.
But the point is, you can still get genuine parts if you know where to get them from.
Never attribute to malice what can be more easily attributed to greed.
Older parts dry up because the market shrinks considerably and there's less profit to be had, which minimises the viability of maintaining easily accessible supply. Manufacturers don't want you in newer cars because they want to "delete" their older cars, they want you in newer cars because that's just how they make more money off you, but this is not a new phenomenon.
It's also why many parts, even for high end cars, seem to be of increasingly inferior quality these days - they cut costs during manufacture and then when it inevitably fails you have to buy a replacement much sooner.
Older parts dry up because the market shrinks considerably and there's less profit to be had, which minimises the viability of maintaining easily accessible supply. Manufacturers don't want you in newer cars because they want to "delete" their older cars, they want you in newer cars because that's just how they make more money off you, but this is not a new phenomenon.
It's also why many parts, even for high end cars, seem to be of increasingly inferior quality these days - they cut costs during manufacture and then when it inevitably fails you have to buy a replacement much sooner.
I think it's all a question of economics.
I've never had a problem with parts being NLA for my 2005 BMW E90, but quite a few parts for my 2006 Z4M are NLA which is probably because only about 1,200 of them were sold in the UK compared to thousands of E9* models. The Z4 parts that aren't specific to the M seem a bit easier to find.
The sad aspect of this is that cars end up getting broken because selling the parts will give a better return than selling the car.
I've never had a problem with parts being NLA for my 2005 BMW E90, but quite a few parts for my 2006 Z4M are NLA which is probably because only about 1,200 of them were sold in the UK compared to thousands of E9* models. The Z4 parts that aren't specific to the M seem a bit easier to find.
The sad aspect of this is that cars end up getting broken because selling the parts will give a better return than selling the car.
My recently purchased grandfather clock shat all its coolant on the company car park a couple of weeks ago, with the problem traced to a perished hose to the turbo.
Next day delivery from Rimmer Brothers in Leicester, fixed in a couple of hours.
I think I'm OK for parts for the time being
Next day delivery from Rimmer Brothers in Leicester, fixed in a couple of hours.
I think I'm OK for parts for the time being
Master Bean said:
Remove.
Mr Tidy said:
I think it's all a question of economics.
I've never had a problem with parts being NLA for my 2005 BMW E90, but quite a few parts for my 2006 Z4M are NLA which is probably because only about 1,200 of them were sold in the UK compared to thousands of E9* models. The Z4 parts that aren't specific to the M seem a bit easier to find.
The sad aspect of this is that cars end up getting broken because selling the parts will give a better return than selling the car.
That's depressing. Those Z4Ms look like interesting cars.I've never had a problem with parts being NLA for my 2005 BMW E90, but quite a few parts for my 2006 Z4M are NLA which is probably because only about 1,200 of them were sold in the UK compared to thousands of E9* models. The Z4 parts that aren't specific to the M seem a bit easier to find.
The sad aspect of this is that cars end up getting broken because selling the parts will give a better return than selling the car.
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