Should SUV drivers pay more to drive & park?

[bad company]

As this article says what happens in Westminster often spreads to the rest of London and beyond:-

Is London set to put the brakes on SUVs? https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp3e0xyyldvo

[Debaser]

If they’re that worried about SUVs an outright ban would be better.

I’d be interested to see their definition of SUV.

[kiethton]

Everything is about tax, extracting more and more from people - they can just fk off at this stage.

Look at why people have them:

Speed bumps, everywhere
Potholes, everywhere
Practicality
Safety (for the people inside)

Then look at the manufacturers - some have got rid of "normal" models and now only sell SUV shaped cars.

[bad company]

Debaser said:

If they’re that worried about SUVs an outright ban would be better.

I’d be interested to see their definition of SUV.

I reckon they’ll base any new charges on weight.

[SAS Tom]

I don’t have an SUV but totally get why people have them given the state of the roads.

[Griffith4ever]

bad company said:

Debaser said:

If they’re that worried about SUVs an outright ban would be better.

I’d be interested to see their definition of SUV.

I reckon they’ll base any new charges on weight.

That would be hillarious - the home of electric cars :-)

[Furbo]

bad company said:

Debaser said:

If they’re that worried about SUVs an outright ban would be better.

I’d be interested to see their definition of SUV.

I reckon they’ll base any new charges on weight.

I bet they don't. Electric cars are very heavy.

[bad company]

Griffith4ever said:

bad company said:

Debaser said:

If they’re that worried about SUVs an outright ban would be better.

I’d be interested to see their definition of SUV.

I reckon they’ll base any new charges on weight.

That would be hillarious - the home of electric cars :-)

I hadn’t thought of that. Good point.

[andrewpandrew]

Furbo said:

bad company said:

Debaser said:

If they’re that worried about SUVs an outright ban would be better.

I’d be interested to see their definition of SUV.

I reckon they’ll base any new charges on weight.

I bet they don't. Electric cars are very heavy.

They also typically have systems on them that dramatically mitigate the chance of any collision occurring in the first place.

[irc]

andrewpandrew said:

They also typically have systems on them that dramatically mitigate the chance of any collision occurring in the first place.

Not all of them. At work we run 8 diesel Seat cars and 4 Volvo EVs. Two of the Volvos gave gone out of control at parking speeds and badly damaged parked cars.

Drivers alleged they surged. I suspect drivers error. In any case the systems failed to stop the crash. None of the 8 diesel cars gave been in crashes.

[POIDH]

irc said:

andrewpandrew said:

They also typically have systems on them that dramatically mitigate the chance of any collision occurring in the first place.

Not all of them. At work we run 8 diesel Seat cars and 4 Volvo EVs. Two of the Volvos gave gone out of control at parking speeds and badly damaged parked cars.

Drivers alleged they surged. I suspect drivers error. In any case the systems failed to stop the crash. None of the 8 diesel cars gave been in crashes.

Wheras my Volvo diesel was overly keen to stop me at any speed under 30mph...the system was really, really good. It could pic up everything from pulling into parking space with hedge in front too fast, to a child on a bike emerging from side junction and stopped me dead....

[andrewpandrew]

irc said:

andrewpandrew said:

They also typically have systems on them that dramatically mitigate the chance of any collision occurring in the first place.

Not all of them. At work we run 8 diesel Seat cars and 4 Volvo EVs. Two of the Volvos gave gone out of control at parking speeds and badly damaged parked cars.

Drivers alleged they surged. I suspect drivers error. In any case the systems failed to stop the crash. None of the 8 diesel cars gave been in crashes.

Therein lies the problem, coming up with a definition is impossible.

[otolith]

Griffith4ever said:

bad company said:

Debaser said:

If they’re that worried about SUVs an outright ban would be better.

I’d be interested to see their definition of SUV.

I reckon they’ll base any new charges on weight.

That would be hillarious - the home of electric cars :-)

The French did this in Paris. They just set a higher threshold for electric cars.

[eldar]

irc said:

Not all of them. At work we run 8 diesel Seat cars and 4 Volvo EVs. Two of the Volvos gave gone out of control at parking speeds and badly damaged parked cars.

Drivers alleged they surged. I suspect drivers error. In any case the systems failed to stop the crash. None of the 8 diesel cars gave been in crashes.

Runaway electric cars? They all do that, sir. Nothing to do with the driver, oh no.

See? Oh.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly4d7ne71ko

[Chris Peacock]

The blanket approach to SUVs never really stacks up.

1.0 Dacia Duster = too big, heavy and inefficient. Should face additional charges.

RS6 = absolutely fine, crack on.

[Griffith4ever]

Chris Peacock said:

The blanket approach to SUVs never really stacks up.

1.0 Dacia Duster = too big, heavy and inefficient. Should face additional charges.

RS6 = absolutely fine, crack on.

Indeed - PUG 306? pay London ULEZ. R8 V10 - exempt :-) ( yeah , I understand the pug is filthy, but I have TEN cylinders! - one of us is wantanly burning fuel :-) )

[wyson]

It’s stupid, a lot of London councils already vary the parking charge via CO2 output.

What would make a Nissan Juke worse than a Rolls Royce? Because it’s an SUV? It’s not a perfect system but CO2 output pegging captures their ‘impact’ pretty well.

When EV’s reach a certain threshold of adoption, they can switch to vehicle weight.

Edited by wyson on Friday 29th August 09:22

[Blib]

If road tax was linked to the size of a car's 'footprint' then many people would consider downsizing what they drive.

Simple, effective, easy to levy.

Job jobbed.

[A.J.M]

bad company said:

Griffith4ever said:

bad company said:

Debaser said:

If they’re that worried about SUVs an outright ban would be better.

I’d be interested to see their definition of SUV.

I reckon they’ll base any new charges on weight.

That would be hillarious - the home of electric cars :-)

I hadn’t thought of that. Good point.

Weight could be interesting for the results it throws up.

Friends got a 2021 ID3. Which weights from 1805kg.
Our Freelander 2 sd4 weighs from 1805kg.

Figures taken from google searches. Wouldn’t have thought they would be so close given one’s a suv and one’s a hatchback.

Which are rookie numbers compared to the 2.6+ tons my Discovery 4 weighs.

[Roboticarm]

andrewpandrew said:

Furbo said:

bad company said:

Debaser said:

If they’re that worried about SUVs an outright ban would be better.

I’d be interested to see their definition of SUV.

I reckon they’ll base any new charges on weight.

I bet they don't. Electric cars are very heavy.

They also typically have systems on them that dramatically mitigate the chance of any collision occurring in the first place.

But they haven't yet invented systems which can over come physics, the average electric car weighs a lot, a heavy weight moving will always need a certain amount of time to stop, regardless of any fancy sensors.
Equally I worry that with EVs and all the fancy stuff they come with people aren't driving with the same level of focus they used to, driving and MK2 escort required a level of focus, planning, skill, driving a Tesla is almost too easy. So, whilst the cars might be getting better, are the drivers getting worse ?


Back on the main topic, I think there should be a higher charge for weight and size, the Japanese system of kei cars etc seems a good model to follow