RE: JLR doubles down on hybrids, US expansion
RE: JLR doubles down on hybrids, US expansion
Wednesday 17th June

JLR doubles down on hybrids, US expansion

Land Rover highlights 'increased propulsion flexibility' as it plots greater US presence


Jaguar, we’ve been assured for years now, will be uniquely electric in the future. But the Land Rover bit of JLR (i.e. the entire money-making enterprise) will be far slower to transition to an exclusively battery-powered future. Indeed, while its latest missive about setting out a path to ‘double digit revenue growth’ reminds us that some heavyweight EV options are inbound - the Range Rover Electric and Range Rover Sport Electric primary among them - it also gently applies the brakes to the idea of the lineup becoming exclusively about electrification. 

This reasoning is not hard to fathom: making money from an entirely electric luxury portfolio in the short to medium term appears to be a non-starter - especially if your growth agenda centres on North America. To that end, the model singled out as flag carrier for the firm’s future ambitions is not the full-sized Range Rover (perennially popular in big cities) but the Defender, which is imminently due to sprout a downsized variant built on the new EMA platform. 

Previously, as the name Electrified Modular Architecture suggested, this was destined to be an EV-only affair; now, not so much. JLR today confirmed that ‘greater propulsion flexibility’ would result in a full hybrid option for all the models built on EMA at Halewood. In other words, space will be made in the platform and production line for the reintroduction of customer-pleasing petrol engines. 

In comments to the FT, JLR’s new boss doubled down on the American market pivot, by suggesting the firm would “give everything” to turbocharge its sales to “millionaires and billionaires” as it seeks double-digit annual revenue growth within five years. “Petrol is huge in the US,” noted PB Balaji, effectively ruling out the idea that the combustion engine is on a timer in production terms. 

Moreover, he did not rule out the idea of localised manufacturing in a market that favours domestic factories. It is to this end that JLR signed a non-binding MOU with Stellantis last month, the partnership specifically targeting ‘synergies for product development in the US’. Today, Land Rover went so far as to reference new products ‘specifically designed for the US market’. 

PB Balaji explained: “Apart from accelerating our existing offerings, we are also exploring new high-potential segments for our Defender brand, which will allow us to offer tailored luxury products and experiences for even more of our US clients. Our aspiration, in the coming years, is to grow our US business to the size of the entire JLR business as it exists today.” An ambitious target, certainly, one arguably made all the trickier by Jaguar’s hamstrung status as an EV-only brand. Whether that policy remains intact in 18 months time will likely prove a bellwether of JLR’s broader-minded strategy. 


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Wadeski

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8,912 posts

239 months

Wednesday 17th June
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Finally some sense. Sell profitable gasoline powered cars to the profitable American market.

Not unprofitable EVs to unprofitable markets regulating themselves out of relevance.


bobthemonkey

4,188 posts

242 months

Wednesday 17th June
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So US market only Defender badged products built by Stellantis on Jeep platforms?


ashenfie

2,780 posts

72 months

Wednesday 17th June
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Under a Memorandum of Understanding, Stellantis is exploring using its underutilized North American factories to assemble Land Rover vehicles, specifically for the US market.
I guess that is how they plan to sell less cars and make more profit.

modeller

539 posts

192 months

Wednesday 17th June
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Well that's China ruled out then. Bet the company on the US and its fickle politics. What could go wrong?

ChrisCh86

1,105 posts

70 months

Wednesday 17th June
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It's a good idea, especially if they can build them in the USA to avoid import tariffs. The Defender is already built in Slovakia, so why not build it in Wyoming too?

Salaries are a lot higher in the USA (I could be paid double what I earn in the UK as an engineer), plus there's a bigger market due to the higher population.

Time to sell lots of highly specified V8 Defenders and Range Rovers for $$$

Edited by ChrisCh86 on Wednesday 17th June 15:42

Clivey

5,609 posts

230 months

Wednesday 17th June
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Wadeski said:
Finally some sense. Sell profitable gasoline powered cars to the profitable American market.

Not unprofitable EVs to unprofitable markets regulating themselves out of relevance.
yes It's as if European politicians are determined to utterly destroy our car industries, economies and frankly our entire countries. When we bought our Defender, we went a bit mad with the spec because we thought it might have been our last chance to buy a diesel 4x4 (the most suitable powertrain for our needs). We actually wanted a proper 4x4 with off-road capabilities as well as long range comfort, not some watered-down plug-in crossover thing designed for the school run.

I was recently speaking to a BMW dealer friend of mine in France and he was explaining how the insane French taxes have killed the market for performance cars or anything that's not just an ecobox. Our Defender would have been €125k there, plus an €80k "penalty" tax.

tatws

82 posts

160 months

Thursday 18th June
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bobthemonkey said:
So US market only Defender badged products built by Stellantis on Jeep platforms?
No, they will build LR products in US Stellantis factories.

Watcher of the skies

1,206 posts

63 months

Thursday 18th June
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modeller said:
Well that's China ruled out then. Bet the company on the US and its fickle politics. What could go wrong?
Hopefully there'll be some grown-ups in charge one day.

ettore

5,027 posts

278 months

Thursday 18th June
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Watcher of the skies said:
Hopefully there'll be some grown-ups in charge one day.
They already have a Chinese factory, a Chinese partner, and a China specific product plan...

...and China isn't the only place to bet your buck, speak to VAG.



Clivey

5,609 posts

230 months

Thursday 18th June
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Watcher of the skies said:
Hopefully there'll be some grown-ups in charge one day.
Hopefully there'll be some grown-ups in charge here in the UK one day, as well. The open borders and net zero nonsense are quite literally killing and replacing us.

nismo48

6,640 posts

233 months

Thursday 18th June
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Clivey said:
Watcher of the skies said:
Hopefully there'll be some grown-ups in charge one day.
Hopefully there'll be some grown-ups in charge here in the UK one day, as well. The open borders and net zero nonsense are quite literally killing and replacing us.
True

smilo996

3,682 posts

196 months

Thursday 18th June
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Wadeski said:
Finally some sense. Sell profitable gasoline powered cars to the profitable American market.

Not unprofitable EVs to unprofitable markets regulating themselves out of relevance.
Fossil advocating to sell fossils to a country whose own automotive industry is dying and being overtaken by China. Brilliant.
this just looks like a opportunistic decision on JLR's part to cash in on fossils who cling to fossil based cars. 🦖

Grantstown

1,327 posts

113 months

Thursday 18th June
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Land Rover and Range Rover remain aspirational products. Aiming high end seems sensible to me. It’s impossible to compete with the mass market generic stuff as there are no USPs. It’s all price, range, dimensions, storage etc and they won’t be able to out Chinese the Chinese.

malaccamax

1,606 posts

257 months

Thursday 18th June
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Clivey said:
Watcher of the skies said:
Hopefully there'll be some grown-ups in charge one day.
Hopefully there'll be some grown-ups in charge here in the UK one day, as well. The open borders and net zero nonsense are quite literally killing and replacing us.
'Quite literally killing us'. Back to Facebook for you Clivey

malaccamax

1,606 posts

257 months

Thursday 18th June
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Grantstown said:
Land Rover and Range Rover remain aspirational products. Aiming high end seems sensible to me. It s impossible to compete with the mass market generic stuff as there are no USPs. It s all price, range, dimensions, storage etc and they won t be able to out Chinese the Chinese.
they can't even compete with the high-end stuff in China these days. Focusing on US sounds like a good plan but all premiums will be doing the same thing and Tata shares dropped this morning on the lower margin targets.

ashenfie

2,780 posts

72 months

Thursday 18th June
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malaccamax said:
Grantstown said:
Land Rover and Range Rover remain aspirational products. Aiming high end seems sensible to me. It s impossible to compete with the mass market generic stuff as there are no USPs. It s all price, range, dimensions, storage etc and they won t be able to out Chinese the Chinese.
they can't even compete with the high-end stuff in China these days. Focusing on US sounds like a good plan but all premiums will be doing the same thing and Tata shares dropped this morning on the lower margin targets.
Trump is keep stuff out from China with tariffs, buy your right everyone is doing the same thing.

Wadeski

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8,912 posts

239 months

Thursday 18th June
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China is just a massive rug pull waiting to happen.

I work with China a lot, and go there a fair amount - Chinese people are very proud of Chinese cars. They already think they are the best EVs in the world. They don't aspire to Western cars in particular.

The government has no intention of letting Western brands gain strong positions in that market anymore, they want to dominate the domestic market and export like crazy.

Grantstown

1,327 posts

113 months

Thursday 18th June
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Wadeski said:
China is just a massive rug pull waiting to happen.

I work with China a lot, and go there a fair amount - Chinese people are very proud of Chinese cars. They already think they are the best EVs in the world. They don't aspire to Western cars in particular.

The government has no intention of letting Western brands gain strong positions in that market anymore, they want to dominate the domestic market and export like crazy.
It’s good to proud of one’s own work. I’d always remember seeing loads of French cars in France, German in Germany etc etc.

I think in Britain people want the cheapest.

hu8742

335 posts

151 months

Thursday 18th June
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Where I am in the US, the Range Rover is massively popular for the wealthy and they’re even willing to pay the import premium. JLR are dead right to go after this lot because let’s face it, those buyers are shrinking fast in Europe, esp ICE versions.

The Defender also makes sense as it’s essentially an upscale Jeep Wrangler/ Ford Bronco which are also big hits here.

Clivey

5,609 posts

230 months

Thursday 18th June
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malaccamax said:
'Quite literally killing us'. Back to Facebook for you Clivey
A spokesperson for the End Fuel Poverty Coalition said:
“It’s truly shocking that more than 2,500 people died in connection with cold weather in winter 2024/25, most of them older people. It lays bare the awful reality that far too many pensioners are still trapped in cold, damp homes that put their health and lives at risk."
From here: https://www.endfuelpoverty.org.uk/tag/winter-death...

The cost of energy, caused primarily by government policy, is killing the elderly in their homes in both winter and summer (the latter due to us refusing to use AC in this country).

As for immigrants from certain countries being more murderous than the native population, that's shown by crime statistics from pretty much every European government that releases the stats (so not the UK, as statistcs are probably considered "racist" here) rolleyes .

The question is whether you'll stick your head in the sand like an ostrich because you don't want to believe what's happening, or whether you'll admit the problem and do something about it.