Pavement parking could be banned in England

[treeroy]

Pavement parking could be banned in England:

Parking on pavements could be banned in England to help pedestrians, the Department for Transport has said.

The government is to open a consultation on whether to give local authorities more parking powers.

The AA, however, has warned a ban could have "unintended consequences" and cause more widespread "parking chaos".

The consultation comes after a committee of MPs last year called for a nationwide ban on the "blight" of parking on pavements.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51844446


Any thoughts on this delusional out of touch suggestion?

[Torquey]

I thought it was already banned

"244
You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London, and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it. Parking on the pavement can obstruct and seriously inconvenience pedestrians, people in wheelchairs or with visual impairments and people with prams or pushchairs.
Law GL(GP)A sect 15"

The country is too compact and over populated to stop it completely!

[numtumfutunch]

treeroy said:

Pavement parking could be banned in England:

Parking on pavements could be banned in England to help pedestrians, the Department for Transport has said.

The government is to open a consultation on whether to give local authorities more parking powers.

The AA, however, has warned a ban could have "unintended consequences" and cause more widespread "parking chaos".

The consultation comes after a committee of MPs last year called for a nationwide ban on the "blight" of parking on pavements.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51844446


Any thoughts on this delusional out of touch suggestion?

Yes, its a great idea

Having a car doesnt entitle you to a parking space on the pavement outside your house or workplace

Cheers

[Haltamer]

Torquey said:

I thought it was already banned

"244
You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London

Just in London!

[robbieduncan]

Great. Half on the pavement (at least) seems the default in Harrogate and it can make pavements impassible with pushchairs

[Torquey]

Haltamer said:

Torquey said:

I thought it was already banned

"244
You MUST NOT park partially or wholly on the pavement in London

Just in London!

and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it


Must not, should not - is there a difference?

[robbieduncan]

Torquey said:

and should not do so elsewhere unless signs permit it

Should not is not the same as must not. Must not means it’s illegal. Should not means you shouldn’t but there are no consequences if you do

[smn159]

Excellent idea and should be implemented immediately. There's a couple of roads locally where the only way to get past cars parked like this is to walk in the middle of the road

[SS2.]

Torquey said:

I thought it was already banned.

Typically, it's not permitted in London unless there's signage to indicate the contrary.

The opposite tends to be the case for the rest of the country.

[V8fan]

It just needs to be enforced. Some people round here park so far on, they block it. Nothing is done, even when reported. It will give councils the option to ban it where it is an issue, which may be of help, if, I say again it is enforced.

It would be impractical to ban it completely, some roads are too narrow to get down in emergency vehicles if nobody parked on the pavement. We just need something that seems to be missing a great deal these days, consideration. The world does not revolve about you or your precious darlings.....

I've been in some streets in suburbs of London where a parking dotted line goes slightly onto the pavement so it IS permitted but only where indicated or signed, for the same reasons I said about old, narrow streets.

[MitchT]

V8fan said:

It would be impractical to ban it completely, some roads are too narrow to get down in emergency vehicles if nobody parked on the pavement. We just need something that seems to be missing a great deal these days, consideration.

This. And another thing - some common sense on the part of those patrolling the streets. If a car is partially on the pavement but not so much as to inconvenience pedestrians, while in doing so easing the flow of traffic on the road, leave it alone.

[Davie]

It's not that clear cut.

Parking on a pavement so that it blocks or hinders pedestrians / prams / whatever then I agree, that's unacceptable.

Parking partially on a pavement where it's not inconveniencing anybody but in doing so means fire engines / ambulances / whatever can get down narrow / congested streets unimpeded, that's fine.

Can we just not start fining ignorant, selfish people as generally speaking... they're usually the issue in many cases, such as parking without a care for anybody else be it blocking a pavement, over a drive or in a disabled bay.

Common sense should prevail.

[sjg]

There's a lot to be said for the Japanese model. Can't buy a car unless you can prove you have somewhere to park it. You rent a space near where you live if you don't have a space at your house or apartment. Teams sweep around overnight and impound any cars left on the roads.

It is crazy that to put a skip on the road you need endless paperwork, flashing lights, etc - but stick your box on wheels anywhere you like, including the pavement, and no-one cares.

[MRichards99]

MitchT said:

V8fan said:

It would be impractical to ban it completely, some roads are too narrow to get down in emergency vehicles if nobody parked on the pavement. We just need something that seems to be missing a great deal these days, consideration.

This. And another thing - some common sense on the part of those patrolling the streets. If a car is partially on the pavement but not so much as to inconvenience pedestrians, while in doing so easing the flow of traffic on the road, leave it alone.

Do those who patrol car parks etc have common sense

[kambites]

It should have been illegal for years, IMO, but it probably needs some changes to road design. If pavements are wide enough that people can park on them without obstructing foot traffic, the pavements should be narrower and the road wider; if they are not, people shouldn't be parking on them.

[Jag_NE]

I’d love to see this enforced where I live, it would force lazy people to use designated parking of which there is ample. Having lived in a terraced house previously I do appreciate that this is a tricky thing to manage. Plenty of folk don’t have a viable alternative.

[LaurasOtherHalf]

You're gonna gridlock pretty much every new build estate in England built since the 1990s.

[Torquey]

slightly aside, I've always thought it would be nice if the government/councils subsidised driveway conversions.

Instead we have SUDS requirements adding to the cost.

[vladcjelli]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

You're gonna gridlock pretty much every new build estate in England built since the 1960s.

FTFY

[CABC]

perfectly fair in principle. councils just need to paint white lines on the pavement separating cars from foot/pram traffic. where there's space for both obvs.