RE: Audi RS2 | High Mile Club
RE: Audi RS2 | High Mile Club
Monday 10th August 2020

Audi RS2 | High Mile Club

What matters more - usability and fun, or originality and status?



It's no secret that originality is prized in classic car circles. Any modification can be expected to have a knock-on effect as far as residuals are concerned, because deviating from the factory spec will be deemed to have spoilt its collectability. It's like not taking your Star Wars figures out of their boxes and playing with them for fear of harming their future value.

But they should. Because cars, like toys, are designed to be used. There's a time and place for pristine static exhibits, of course - but anything displayed with a 'do not touch' sign is not living its best life. Moreover there's a often a good reason for tinkering with a classic car, too, and it relates to just how quickly automotive progress is made.

Because we all love the classic experience, but you don't have to go too far back before a car feels like it doesn't brake very well, doesn't grip very well or doesn't go all that well. Of course, in some instances that's part of the appeal: a fast 2CV or a track-prepped Defender would be daft. Although you needn't look very far to see the popularity of a sympathetic update or modernisation, where the classic look and feel is retained, with modern touches to enhance the experience. Done sympathetically, it's the best of both worlds, especially when the car in question remains desirable enough to not suffer a huge hit on its value.


Which brings us to this Audi RS2. It's covered 124,000 miles and it's now more than a quarter of a century old; for a multitude of reasons you'll have read about 100 times before, it's a bonafide classic. And it's also an Audi 80 Avant. Additionally, while it looks like any other RS2, this one has been subjected to a raft of modifications to keep it fresh and fast in 2020, instead of easy prey for those in Focus ST wagons. It's also still £50,000 - a point to return to.

Get it on boost and a standard 315hp Audi RS2 already feels plenty rapid. This one, thanks to a new turbo, intercooler and exhaust, plus some ECU work, is now making 425hp and 435lb ft, figures not far off those produced by the current RS4. The seller reckons it's capable of 4.2 seconds to 62mph and more than 180mph - who needs to go any faster? That's just the start of the upgrades, too.

The association with Porsche that made the RS2 famous is augmented with GT3 brake calipers, the suspension is now by H&R springs and Bilstein dampers (plus a revised geo set up) and the rear differential has also been rebuilt. All the work (this is far from an extensive list) implies not just dutiful ownership, but also a desire to create something like a 21st century RS2 - and who wouldn't be intrigued by one of those?


So strong is the market for Audi's Avant icon (the 25th birthday last year, just 180 right-hand drive cars etc) that even an extensive range of modifications from standard can't harm its value. The RS Blue car is for sale at £53,995, a far cry from where they sat not long ago but also indicative of the market; even a privately advertised car with slightly fewer miles is still commanding £45k.

That every RS2 you now see is comfortably beyond 100,000 miles yet often looking impeccable despite it is a good sign, the cars hailing from that era of unimpeachable build quality that the German manufacturers are arguably still striving to re-estabish. Nothing of this ilk and age is going to be affordable to run, of course, but we're not going to teach you how to suck eggs; this is an Audi RS2, after all, we know you know. It was making about 150hp per litre as standard...

However, by dint of its modifications and seemingly excellent condition, this isn't just any RS2. It's one that, in theory, should bring the benefits of hailing from the 1990s - size, visibility, relative simplicity - with advancements in performance and handling to bring it more up to date. As combinations for the perfect PH family car go, it looks a hard one to beat. So what do you say? Is the better RS2 one that stays faithful to 1994, or dares to imagine a more potent Audi icon? Get typing...


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Turini

Original Poster:

477 posts

196 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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Interesting article. To get to that age any car is going to need more than just light maintenance and at some point improvements will have been made to improve overall mechanical performance and operation however limited some of those gains might be - improved filters, lubricants, materially improved bushes and suspension parts etc

What that does to value versus originality is another question. There will be a totally standard very low or more or less delivery mileage RS2 tucked away somewhere and in another 25 years that will have more appeal for a certain type of collector than those that have been used, maintained and improved but still leaves a big question of which is the more desirable.

You’d knock more value, risk more impact using the unused one but enjoy driving the used one so it’ll remain horses for courses.

Can an RS2 be compared to a 250 GTO, not in a month of Sunday’s. US muscle cars..? Possibly, but it’s also a genre defining car and because of that an RS2 clearly resists what would normally negatively affect its perceived value differently to other types of cars

Edited by Turini on Monday 10th August 07:02

retrosonic

26 posts

148 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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54K for a 25 year Leggy Audi Estate, i could get an all singing dancing Auto that has dropped off the conveyor belt for that. However it's not in your face overstyled and has a sprinkling of quality upgrades that should see it driving well into the future.

Dale487

1,469 posts

153 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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The modifications don't really concern me, as it looks standard, it should mean that a Leon Cupra (or similar) won't out pace it & its in a useable condition - but the appeal of that kind of car is the more affordable price compared to the "original" ones on the market, which isn't the case for this car.

griffdude

1,930 posts

278 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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It’s interesting how high miles is defined; 30,000+ miles PA for example or total mileage?

With a certain level of maintenance, less than 5000 PA over 25 years isn’t high IMHO. I’d much rather have this than something that’s done 10000 miles over the same time on it original suspension, brakes & fuel lines.

blade7

11,311 posts

246 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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Less than 10 years ago they were around £10k for a tired one, and £20k for a good one. No doubt the tired ones have all been rolled in glitter now, and they're all silly money today. I'd much rather spend less than half the money on mint low mileage B7.

Antj

1,149 posts

230 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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blade7 said:
Less than 10 years ago they were around £10k for a tired one, and £20k for a good one. No doubt the tired ones have all been rolled in glitter now, and they're all silly money today. I'd much rather spend less than half the money on mint low mileage B7.
I'm sorry they simply do not roll them in Glitter, they blow over some of the worlds finest "barn dust" which adds thousands of pounds. I'm selling buckets of barn dust on ebay currently, its so good you can even blow it over a 6 month old car to instantly add thousands of pounds. let me know if you buy B7 and i'll send you a sample over to test on a panel,

blade7

11,311 posts

246 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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Antj said:
blade7 said:
Less than 10 years ago they were around £10k for a tired one, and £20k for a good one. No doubt the tired ones have all been rolled in glitter now, and they're all silly money today. I'd much rather spend less than half the money on mint low mileage B7.
I'm sorry they simply do not roll them in Glitter, they blow over some of the worlds finest "barn dust" which adds thousands of pounds. I'm selling buckets of barn dust on ebay currently, its so good you can even blow it over a 6 month old car to instantly add thousands of pounds. let me know if you buy B7 and i'll send you a sample over to test on a panel,
I think you'll find that glitter, being of a denser composition, disguises turds more convincingly than dust.

cerb4.5lee

44,851 posts

210 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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I've always loved these, and I always seem to remember reading a review of it in Performance Car magazine when it first came out. They still look good to me eyes as well.

I couldn't buy it though, because I have a phobia of cars with more than 100k miles on the clock! biggrin

TheOctaneAddict

1,266 posts

77 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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What a lovely thing cloud9

Augustus Windsock

3,799 posts

185 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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Go on then, I’ll be the one to trot out the ‘in period Autocar / Motor magazine tested one and it was faster from 0-30 than a Williams F1 car and the McLaren F1’

scottygib553

718 posts

125 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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Looks fantastic and the upgrades sound even better. For some reason I thought these were £100k+ by now

Court_S

14,750 posts

207 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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That’s lovely. Personally I’d rather a car that had been used and cared for than a garage queen. Those mods wouldn’t put me off assuming I had a spare £54k for a fast estate.

Deathmole

959 posts

75 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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TheOctaneAddict said:
What a lovely thing cloud9
Fantastic isn't it? No doubt there's an unused version hidden away in a garage somewhere that is worth far more, but sack that, it's great to see one still being used!

Turbobanana

8,462 posts

231 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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cerb4.5lee said:


I couldn't buy it though, because I have a phobia of cars with more than 100k miles on the clock! biggrin
Not sure if serious...

blade7

11,311 posts

246 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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scottygib553 said:
Looks fantastic and the upgrades sound even better. For some reason I thought these were £100k+ by now
LOL. I recall one for sale, that was shipped backwards and forwards to Ireland years ago...

Gus265

271 posts

163 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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I know it’s a great car and a classic but I’d struggle knowing I’d paid £53k for it. I guess you have to be a proper fan

Water Fairy

6,616 posts

185 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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Always been turned off personally by the 'originality' brigade. Cars can be very personal and emotive possessions and I firmly believe any can be improved whether objectively or subjectively.

phumy

5,828 posts

267 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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Water Fairy said:
Always been turned off personally by the 'originality' brigade. Cars can be very personal and emotive possessions and I firmly believe any can be improved whether objectively or subjectively.
And likewise, theres nothing wrong with a nice original example.

Edited by phumy on Monday 10th August 12:41

cerb4.5lee

44,851 posts

210 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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Turbobanana said:
cerb4.5lee said:


I couldn't buy it though, because I have a phobia of cars with more than 100k miles on the clock! biggrin
Not sure if serious...
I do have a bit of a daft mental barrier when it comes to mileage. I grew up when engines didn't last much longer once they'd passed 100k miles. So unless it was a shed for say £500 I would have a punt at that over 100k miles. But no way would I pay that kind of money for this at 124k miles.

DaveCWK

2,416 posts

204 months

Monday 10th August 2020
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It's a nice car, but it's a mental price.