RE: 2020 Audi SQ7 | PH Review
RE: 2020 Audi SQ7 | PH Review
Tuesday 15th September 2020

2020 Audi SQ7 | PH Review

MHEV diesel motor out, pure petrol V8 in. Have the SQ7 (and identically-engine SQ8) lost more than MPG?



In a year cluttered with so many unexpected and frankly tragic developments, Audi’s decision to ditch its cutting edge oil burner for petrol V8 power in the SQ7 and SQ8 hasn’t exactly made front page news. But it’s significant, not least because the change illustrates just how far the blowback from the 2015 emissions scandal has been. NOx limits are tighter than ever, and diesel demand looks like it’s staying down for good, so Audi has seen fit to replace its exemplary 48v mild hybrid diesel motor with a pure combustion eight-cylinder, less than a year after the facelift arrived. The petrol motor is thirstier and produces more CO2, and offsets more power with less torque. In one fell swoop, the SQ7 and SQ8 have arguably been angled at a different type of customer.

Evidence for that comes with the shuffled priority list, which trades the diesel’s strongest traits – 664lb ft of torque from 1,000rpm and mid-thirties real-world economy – for the standard appeal of a petrol-fired V8. It’ll probably depend on your location as to whether you view the changes as good or bad; chances are if you’re from America or the Middle East, it’ll be more welcome than if you’re living in Britain. Then again, there’s no denying the allure of anything in this day and age projecting the brutish vocals of a proper petrol eight, no matter where you lay your head.


The performance of Audi’s twin-turbo 4.0-litre V8 is indisputable. It produces 507hp at 5,500rpm and 568lb ft of torque at 2,000 to 4,000rpm, enabling a 0-62mph sprint of 4.1 seconds and the 50-75mph dash in 3.8sec in both of the eight-speed Tiptronic, quattro all-wheel drive models. Both can tow 750kg of unbraked trailer, as before. The SQ7 is the lighter of the two thanks to its slightly smaller wheels – it gets 21- and 22-inch options, with the SQ8 adding an inch at both ends – and slightly different chassis settings (more on that shortly). Although at 2,200kg to the SQ8’s 2,270kg, neither can be described as anything less than hefty.

Compared with the old diesels, the new cars are 95kg lighter thanks to the powertrain switch, while gaining all-wheel steering as standard on top of the existing facelift. Air suspension is all-round, while the SQ8 Vurpsrung gets active roll stabilisation hardware; in 2,996mm wheelbase cars, that’s liable to be significant. Inside, the petrol-powered cars keep the Virtual Cockpit technology that was introduced with the 2019 refresh, so you get a plethora of screens – including a pair of centre console-mounted, haptic touch ones – and broad instrument cluster display. Added to that is Audi’s full suite of driver assistance features, supportive leather seats and, if you tick the boxes, massage functions and carbon fibre trim. As before, you’re absolutely not left wanting for kit.

Same goes for the fit and finish of the cabin; if technology and build quality are your thing, you’d struggle to find fault with Audi’s interior. Obviously the SQ7 comes with greater practicality, its boxier body and optional three rows providing even those in the boot with decent space – and USB C ports. The middle row, on its sliding rail, has plenty of space, even when set at its most forward placement, and that’s the same in both cars. Obviously, rear headroom is slightly tighter in the SQ8, but for the vast majority of people it has ample vertical space. It doesn’t matter where you’re sat when it comes to hearing the rumble of that V8 petrol. It’s present everywhere.


The difference in tone is clear from the first turn of crank. The V8 petrol starts with familiar Audi 4.0 bass but it’s also remarkably smooth on tickover thanks to the slackening of active engine mounts. Audi’s cylinder deactivation tech is so seamless these days that on a light throttle cruise, the eight is genuinely docile and the auto is happy to slip into top gear. It’s probably thanks to the motor’s occasionally dormant fuel injectors that any pre-warned prods of the accelerator do require a dropping of cog (in contrast to the old diesel, which just surged from any start point) before you’re given the full shove. But we’re talking a two-tenth process. Then it’s a thud in the back and an ominous, burly roar from the other side of the bulkhead. The specialness of that never wears off.

In truth, we’re still not keen on the artificial thud of each upshift from the eight-speed in Dynamic mode (their presence feels even less necessary now that the engine’s so characterful), but thankfully they’re absent in the gearbox’s Balanced setting. The relatively small plastic steering wheel paddles themselves also feel oddly cut-price in such a high-grade setting (and a far cry from a Stelvio QF’s extended metal ones), but there’s absolutely no faulting the instantaneous responses of the transmission and elasticity of the motor. Nor is there much to be said against the way the air suspension soaks up bumps or maintains body control through dips and over crests. Combined with the low-speed manoeuvrability and high-speed stability that’s enabled by all-wheel steering, this big car feels much smaller on the road.

As you’d expect, there are tremendous reserves of grip. The SQ7’s limits are so high that talk of its balance feels somewhat redundant and the lack of steering feel is of no real issue. The car treats corners as an excuse to burrow seemingly deeper into the tarmac and allows for exuberant use of maximum attack almost whenever you please, while the optional carbon ceramic brakes provide enormous stopping power via a progressive, easily modulated pedal. On our German test route at least, they never provide any suggestion of cooking fluids. The discs tick furiously after a run, but the rotors just keep on going and going without fade. You’re never asked to manage temperatures in this enormous hunk of metal; it just pummels on mile after mile, fronts biting with a few degrees of body roll and rear following without complaint.


The SQ8 does alter from that a little, because it’s been deliberately setup to have limits that are more approachable. Certainly, you’re aware of a slightly stiffer secondary ride and roll in all modes is reduced, so it feels ever so slightly keener on turn in and you’re aware of a tensing of air spring and anti-roll hardware under load. The stiffer configuration unlocks a small dose of adjustability, but in all but the occasional split second, the car just hammers down a road with both axles glued to the tarmac. It’s not exactly all-absorbing for the driver, but certainly the unrelenting pace makes for an exciting ride. Only now, with the V8 engine begging to be spun towards its redline and the gearbox more eager to switch cogs than it was in the diesel, there’s a new strata of character to exploit.

Certainly there's an argument which says the SQ7 has lost a key USP in the fight against a V8-powered Range Rover. And that against the BMW X6 M the SQ8 no longer looks like the sensible alternative. Compared with the old diesel versions, this is true. But the V8 petrol models still do such an impressive job at both ends of the spectrum and remain so eminently capable that while they’re not able to deliver the have-it-all breadth of capability that their MHEV diesel predecessors offered, they remain compelling all-round options. The pump colour might have changed, but elsewhere both cars signify much the same combination of presence, plushness and pace. You'll just be less of a stranger at the petrol station.


AUDI SQ7 / SQ8 | SPECIFICATION

Engine: 3,996cc, twin-turbocharged V8
Transmission: 8-speed dual-clutch S-tronic auto, all-wheel drive
Power (hp): 507@5,500rpm
Torque (lb ft): 568@2,000-4,000rpm
0-62mph: 4.1sec
Top speed: 155mph (limited)
Weight: 2,200kg / 2,270kg(unladen)
MPG: 23.3 (WLTP combined)
CO2: 277-276g/km / 276-275g/km
Price: £73,000 / £83,000
















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dukebox9reg

Original Poster:

1,721 posts

177 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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Looks like the shift paddles are the same from my Leon FR. I think they are crap in that at a sub 30k price point.


bluemason

1,169 posts

152 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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The previous pre facelift sq7 had looked so much better and understated.Probably had a much better engine note. Thecurrent rs modles look awful.

tim-jxv5n

240 posts

125 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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All q7's have 7 seats, the main reason we bought 1

cerb4.5lee

44,617 posts

209 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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That will be a thirsty little devil for sure. I wish I had the money to run something like this as a daily though.

The spinner of plates

18,084 posts

229 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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Audi product planning seems all over the place...

SUVs they ditch the diesel for petrol.

S6/S4 they ditch the petrol for diesel.

I'm sure they know what they're doing... but from the outside looking in, it all looks a bit disjointed and reactionary.

flowman

107 posts

238 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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tim-jxv5n said:
All q7's have 7 seats, the main reason we bought 1
The Hybrid e-Tron does not have 7 seats.

LayZ

1,834 posts

271 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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Those 2 model year MHEV diesels are going to be fun to try and keep going at 10 years old.

Lotobear

9,067 posts

157 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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Utterly preposterous things

David87

7,023 posts

241 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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The spinner of plates said:
Audi product planning seems all over the place...

SUVs they ditch the diesel for petrol.

S6/S4 they ditch the petrol for diesel.

I'm sure they know what they're doing... but from the outside looking in, it all looks a bit disjointed and reactionary.
Agreed. What are they playing at?!

sidewinder500

1,849 posts

123 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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flowman said:
tim-jxv5n said:
All q7's have 7 seats, the main reason we bought 1
The Hybrid e-Tron does not have 7 seats.
And my SQ7 does not have 7 seats...

sidewinder500

1,849 posts

123 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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LayZ said:
Those 2 model year MHEV diesels are going to be fun to try and keep going at 10 years old.
That's when the little things start to go wrong, though.
It is definitely cheaper to run a new one on PCP and not to worry on repairs for three years instead of buying cheaply (if ever...) a well used and slightly worn one at 60k + miles with complex electronics, air suspension, strained drivetrain, occasional blemishes.
I bought my Cayenne after 2,5 yrs of smooth high mileage (110 k) for a really good price from Porsche leasing, as the car was great and gave NO problems at all until then.
After keeping it another four years I paid more for keeping all the failing components going than I do now for an SQ7 on PCP...
So no contest and definitely more than brave to run one in 10 years...
These newer cars are IMO simply not built for additional use after 3 - 4 yrs, are mostly not serviceable by the DIY, and therefore shipped to the east to live their life unserviced until they die...

kmpowell

3,527 posts

257 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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Lotobear said:
Utterly preposterous things
Go on then, I'll bite.

I am currently/immediately in the market for a 'fast' (to satisfy my PH wings) 7 seat vehicle which is residually sound, has adaptive cruise control and CarPlay, and is an all rounder which allows long motorway journeys be covered with ease. The vehicle must accommodate me in carrying our 4 children (2x 7 year olds and 2x 5 year olds).

IMO, pre facelift SQ7's feel VERY dated inside and are expensive for the equipment levels required, and the MMI is very clunky having to use a jog wheel etc for basic things such as CarPlay, hence going for the new shape.

I'll genuinely await your alternative suggestions...

Oh and just to show you I'm not trolling:



smile

Edited by kmpowell on Tuesday 15th September 15:23

Bryans69

669 posts

161 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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The spinner of plates said:
Audi product planning seems all over the place...

SUVs they ditch the diesel for petrol.

S6/S4 they ditch the petrol for diesel.

I'm sure they know what they're doing... but from the outside looking in, it all looks a bit disjointed and reactionary.
I don't get this either. Lack of petrol ruled out S4 for me

theboss

7,505 posts

248 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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kmpowell said:
Go on then, I'll bite.

I am currently/immediately in the market for a 'fast' (to satisfy my PH wings) 7 seat vehicle which is residually sound, has adaptive cruise control and CarPlay, and is an all rounder which allows long motorway journeys be covered with ease. The vehicle must accommodate me in carrying our 4 children (2x 7 year olds and 2x 5 year olds).

IMO, pre facelift SQ7's feel VERY dated inside and are expensive for the equipment levels required, and the MMI is very clunky having to use a jog wheel etc for basic things such as CarPlay, hence going for the new shape.

I'll genuinely await your alternative suggestions...

Oh and just to show you I'm not trolling:



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I imagine you’d be fine for a few years with 5 year olds but when I sat my very dainty 11 year old in one the third row was woefully small. I’ve decided I can live without 7 seats for now as my family comprises my daughters and my stepdaughter who don’t all live with me full time but if we did decide to get something to enable us to all travel together it would have to be the next size up I.e. X7 or GLS. All the best with your purchase!

tim-jxv5n

240 posts

125 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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flowman said:
tim-jxv5n said:
All q7's have 7 seats, the main reason we bought 1
The Hybrid e-Tron does not have 7 seats.
Exactly, that's why we bought a q7 and not an e tron

Lotobear

9,067 posts

157 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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kmpowell said:
Go on then, I'll bite.

I am currently/immediately in the market for a 'fast' (to satisfy my PH wings) 7 seat vehicle which is residually sound, has adaptive cruise control and CarPlay, and is an all rounder which allows long motorway journeys be covered with ease. The vehicle must accommodate me in carrying our 4 children (2x 7 year olds and 2x 5 year olds).

IMO, pre facelift SQ7's feel VERY dated inside and are expensive for the equipment levels required, and the MMI is very clunky having to use a jog wheel etc for basic things such as CarPlay, hence going for the new shape.

I'll genuinely await your alternative suggestions...

Oh and just to show you I'm not trolling:



smile
Then, for you, it's the perfect car as it matches precisely your requirements. However I suspect for most that is not the motivation for purchasing one of these, an X6 or whatever.

I just think, as a completely personal view of course, they look a trifle vulgar and appear to be an answer to a utility question that (save for a small few) was never posed.

...as an alternative you could try a T5 minibus for the school run and spend the balance on a nice weekend toy to tick the PH credentials?

.....I am a daily Audi driver by the way

Amirhussain

11,652 posts

192 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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cerb4.5lee said:
That will be a thirsty little devil for sure. I wish I had the money to run something like this as a daily though.
Same here. I know there is a lot of dislike for these type of vehicles on this site, people act like they’re forced to buy them and that choice is a bad thing rolleyes

drpep

1,761 posts

197 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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Not to be all eco-warrior but this seems a bit out of touch in 2020.

Wildfires tearing up US West coast, last year Australia; huge hurricanes battering the gulf year on year, and here we are churning out twin turbo V8 family wagons.

And yet have no issue with the RS6/7, R8 etc but somehow this application feels wrong. Maybe it's down to anticipated volumes; they sell quite a few more of these 'cooking' variants than the RS or R cars.

The engine application probably makes sense in practical terms but would have expected them to be pushing a hybrid V6. This is probably better though, if only in terms of weight and simplicity, and thus the raw materials needed.

Strange times.

Edited by drpep on Tuesday 15th September 16:55

PhilboSE

6,141 posts

255 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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Lotobear said:
Then, for you, it's the perfect car as it matches precisely your requirements. However I suspect for most that is not the motivation for purchasing one of these, an X6 or whatever.
It's funny (strange) that people who aren't in the market for these sorts of cars appear to have all sorts of deep insights about the people who actually are in the market. And when someone pops up with first hand experience and perfectly reasonable justification why they bought one, they are usually dismissed as the exception.

I was in the same position as kmpowell, some of us have genuine requirements that are best met by a big SUV. FWIW, I originally upgraded from an RS6 to a Q7 because the RS6 simply didn't work for us as a family hack. And yet we frequently hear the refrain that these cars do nothing that a big estate can't do.

Of the people I know with large SUVs, all of them have one thing in common - large families (sometimes including 3 generations that need to be carted around). Conversely, I suspect that none of them bought one just because they wanted a big, heavy car.

Lotobear said:
I just think, as a completely personal view of course, they look a trifle vulgar and appear to be an answer to a utility question that (save for a small few) was never posed.
Well, looks are subjective but for the Q7 form follows the function. I'll readily concede that the Q8 makes significant concessions to form. However they (Q7 in particular) offer a combination of practicality that isn't met by any other cars in the Audi range, so there's an obvious reason for why they exist. As for vulgarity, is a Ferrari vulgar? A Rolls Royce? A Bentley? A Mclaren? Or is this perceived vulgarity, perchance, based on individual selected prejudices?

Lotobear said:
...as an alternative you could try a T5 minibus for the school run and spend the balance on a nice weekend toy to tick the PH credentials?

.....I am a daily Audi driver by the way
Why should he have 2 vehicles rather than 1?
Why should he sacrifice any sort of driving dynamics and drive a minibus?
Why should his personal choices be dictated by anyone else's apparent sensibilities?
Maybe, just maybe, he actually needs a large family wagon for which he has decided an SQ7 is a good fit, and maybe he also has a "nice weekend toy" for occasions when the family don't need to come?

Justin Case

2,195 posts

163 months

Tuesday 15th September 2020
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Ironic isn't it? you can quite happily buy these two, but not the Suzuki Jimny which produces half the emissions and uses half the fuel. This is not a criticism of Audi, these cars obviously satisfy a desire and I wouldn't mind one if I could afford it, but of the government, who seem to take more notice of the tree-huggers whose knowledge of science is so non-existent that they wouldn't even know if they had a bunsen burner stuck up their arses than scientists and engineers who can actually perform simple arithmetic