RE: TVR Cerbera Red Rose | Spotted
RE: TVR Cerbera Red Rose | Spotted
Thursday 15th July 2021

TVR Cerbera Red Rose | Spotted

It's 25 years since the Cerbera launched; there can't be many better left than this one



If not as wild to look at or sit in as some others, the Cerbera remains a hugely significant TVR. Introduced back in 1996 having first been shown in 1993, it was the first sports car out of Blackpool to offer both rear seats and a fixed roof. For a company that had forged its reputation on hairy-chested two-seat roadsters, the Cerbera represented quite the step change.

But, of course, nothing was quite as radical as what was found under the Cerbera's bonnet: it was the first TVR to be powered by in-house engines. No more Rover V8 transplants - it was AJP8 for the Cerbera or nothing, later followed by the 4.0-litre straight six. Even the original 4.2-litre V8 made for a savagely fast Cerbera, and the 4.5 was little short of ridiculous in an 1,100kg car. Indeed, the only thing talked about more than the AJP's fearsome performance, sadly, became its less than stellar reliability. Owners were a little less enamoured by it than journalists, as they had to deal with the V8 on both its good and bad days.

But those are a long time behind us now, with issues resolved and problems fixed through the committed community. And perhaps nothing shows off better what a Cerbera can be than this car, a 2001 Red Rose that its last owner saw fit "to effectively totally re-engineer" with a huge list of chassis and powertrain work. And a £30,000 bill...

Fret not, however, as this isn't now an LS-engined Cerbera modified to within an inch of its life. Instead, you might call the work 'sympathetic optimisation'; the owner loved driving it in Europe with his family (see the matching child seats) but not being stranded on the side of the road. Therefore, the money was spent to "make the Cerbera Rose tinted dream a reality", bringing all the components up to snuff to ensure it could be depended on.



The list of upgrades is enormous, from Str8six engine work, to an RT Racing suspension rebuild, to a new BTR limited-slip diff. Not a detail has been left untouched, seemingly, in an attempt to create the best Cerbera Red Rose there's been. When the work extends as far as replacing the clock with an oil temperature gauge, rose jointing the throttle linkage and tweaking the flywheel, you get an idea of the lengths gone to to create this TVR.

The end result is attention grabbing to say the least, especially as the only Jamaica Blue Red Rose believed to be out there. The Cerbera now sits on Protech dampers and Eibach springs, with Silverstone Performance SP12 wheels presumably saving some weight over the Spider alloys. Still, it looks superb in a way that only a Cerbera can, subdued against what followed but way more stylish (to these eyes) than the Wedges.

As the Cerbera's full potential has been realised in recent years, so values have risen. Five years ago, a really nice, early car was comfortably less than £20k; now you'll pay £25,000 for a car approaching 100,000 miles. Good V8 and six-cylinder Cerberas seem to be around £30,000, which will look a lot given recent values if still not a great deal for the experience on offer.

The Jamaica Blue car commands a little more than that, however. It's for sale at £49,995, making it the most expensive Cerbera in the classifieds by £10k. That said, it's far from the most expensive TVR - have you seen Sagaris prices lately? And while it's always nice to stamp your own mark on something with a cheaper base and modifications, the appeal of a car that someone has already spent a chunk of money on isn't hard to understand. Especially when the end result looks like this.


SPECIFICATION | TVR CERBERA RED ROSE

Engine: 4,475cc, V8
Transmission: 5-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 426@6,750rpm
Torque (lb ft): 379@5,500rpm
CO2: N/A
MPG: N/A
Year registered: 2001
Recorded mileage: 55,000
Price new: £46,500 (2003)
Yours for: £49,995

See the original advert here.







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British Beef

Original Poster:

2,572 posts

194 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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To my eyes, the best looking TVR ever made.

Performance wise, is there much in it between one of these RR and a Sagaris?

nickv8

1,527 posts

112 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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This very one in Harry’s Garage video...
https://youtu.be/3uThacLTcNU

deejay005

62 posts

207 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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Not sure about others but if I were in the market for a TVR (wish I was!) I’d want one with the seats on the inside. Lovely though.

Vee12V

1,410 posts

189 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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nickv8 said:
This very one in Harry’s Garage video...
https://youtu.be/3uThacLTcNU
This was also the first thing I thought. Definitely (the) one to get. Looked and sounded sorted.

TR4man

5,526 posts

203 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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Crikey!

Is £50k the going rate for one of these?

cerb4.5lee

44,475 posts

209 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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Looking at the photos of this it makes me really miss mine. They are lovely head turners I reckon, plus they make a great angry noise too for me. smokin

sidewinder500

1,839 posts

123 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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Passed one on the motorway last weekend, had to slow down and follow him for a few miles, what a glorious thing! The epic soundtrack from the six, including all the pops and bangs made me realise we passed peak car without realising quite a while ago...

Simply great, warts and all...

Harry Flashman

21,784 posts

271 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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TR4man said:
Crikey!

Is £50k the going rate for one of these?
No - Read the article! This one has been extensively optimised and is thus well above 'market rate'.

However, as someone who has owned low volume sports cars and dealt with their reliability issues, I would pay the extra money for a car that has had as much work and thought as this one. Definitely.

In fact, if I lived out of London, I would be seriously tempted by this. My choice of city to live in has perhaps, unlike most Londoners, saved me a lot of money. I may have had to pay more for my house, but I don't have a barn full of cars I don't need...

spikyone

1,912 posts

129 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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Proof that wheels can really make or break the way a car looks. Those look very wrong, I'd want to swap them back to something more original.

TVR prices have really gone crazy lately!

Guffy

2,369 posts

294 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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spikyone said:
Proof that wheels can really make or break the way a car looks. Those look very wrong, I'd want to swap them back to something more original.

TVR prices have really gone crazy lately!
Proof that these things are subjective, i like the wheels!

I had a 1999 4.5 which i loved (ride quality for not the best) and would have kept forever circumstances allowing. However, £50k might be a bit strong for the market, but she's worth it.

McRors

458 posts

85 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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nickv8 said:
This very one in Harry’s Garage video...
https://youtu.be/3uThacLTcNU
Thanks for the link, it looks a great car! 50k for a fully sorted car with such performance seems good value to me. Moreover, given the silly money old Fords et al are making it could almost be seen as cheap for what you are getting. Finally, there are only 800 left with only 300 on the road. God knows how many 911s are out there in comparison.

Cascade360

11,631 posts

114 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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TR4man said:
Crikey!

Is £50k the going rate for one of these?
You can get a good Cerbera for mid 20s. As tidy as this one might be, you'd be mental to spend 50 on it.

TyrannosauRoss Lex

36,729 posts

241 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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McRors said:
nickv8 said:
This very one in Harry’s Garage video...
https://youtu.be/3uThacLTcNU
Thanks for the link, it looks a great car! 50k for a fully sorted car with such performance seems good value to me. Moreover, given the silly money old Fords et al are making it could almost be seen as cheap for what you are getting. Finally, there are only 800 left with only 300 on the road. God knows how many 911s are out there in comparison.
Looks great but am I the only one who thinks it doesn't quite sound as good as it should?

andyvvc

267 posts

172 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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I used to work over near Northwich and would often drive out at lunch to get away from the office in my lowly 1.6 Escort L.
Quite often i would see Cerbs being 'test driven' by the local dealer (was that Christopher Neil?). To me back then, they looked and sounded like something from another planet!

Last year two very well restored Cerbs sold for 40k each within a few weeks of being advertised. (One was at James Aggar in Leicestershire not far from me).

I can't see this hanging around for that long. 50k seems like a bargain compared to what you need to pay for some janky Ford from just a few years earlier lol

so called

9,160 posts

238 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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Guffy said:
spikyone said:
Proof that wheels can really make or break the way a car looks. Those look very wrong, I'd want to swap them back to something more original.

TVR prices have really gone crazy lately!
Proof that these things are subjective, i like the wheels!

I had a 1999 4.5 which i loved (ride quality for not the best) and would have kept forever circumstances allowing. However, £50k might be a bit strong for the market, but she's worth it.
I like those wheels too but then I'm biased.
They're SP12's, stronger and lighter than the originals.

I had a 1998 4.2.
Every drive was an event.

cerb4.5lee

44,475 posts

209 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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TyrannosauRoss Lex said:
Looks great but am I the only one who thinks it doesn't quite sound as good as it should?
This still has the standard exhaust on it I think, mine had a factory sports exhaust on it which helps a bit. It doesn't make a traditional V8 noise though anyway.

Wattyler

65 posts

63 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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Cerbera was one of my ‘always wanted’ cars but never took the plunge.

The performance in the 90s had been built up to be something outrageous and part of me didn’t want to be disappointed if it wasn’t quite as per the Clarkson video or inaccessible on the road

waynecyclist

14,654 posts

143 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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Wattyler said:
The performance in the 90s had been built up to be something outrageous and part of me didn’t want to be disappointed if it wasn’t quite as per the Clarkson video or inaccessible on the road
I am sure the car in the Clarkson video was heavily tweaked (unless it was an urban myth)

ducnick

2,254 posts

272 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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I would dearly love a red rose. I remember when I had my Chim 450 looking jealously at Cerb red roses.
However... This one is in a colour that works on the Cim but not on the Cerb/later cars. The wheels don't look right on it, and its a bit pricy.

I can't help thinking my money would go on a much cheaper basic cerb needing a suspension overhaul, general tidy, and drop in a chevy LS+Tremec for reliability and power. I figure for the same or less money you could build something individual to yourself.

spikyone

1,912 posts

129 months

Thursday 15th July 2021
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so called said:
Guffy said:
spikyone said:
Proof that wheels can really make or break the way a car looks. Those look very wrong, I'd want to swap them back to something more original.

TVR prices have really gone crazy lately!
Proof that these things are subjective, i like the wheels!

I had a 1999 4.5 which i loved (ride quality for not the best) and would have kept forever circumstances allowing. However, £50k might be a bit strong for the market, but she's worth it.
I like those wheels too but then I'm biased.
They're SP12's, stronger and lighter than the originals.

I had a 1998 4.2.
Every drive was an event.
My GT86 is running on a set of TE37SL, so no issues with good quality aftermarket wheels. It's just that this style looks a bit too aftermarket and blingy, not in keeping with the character of the car. On a light coloured car like this they might look better in a gunmetal, but for me, a wheel with fewer, thicker spokes suits it better.