RE: Lotus and DMC developed Alpine A310 for sale
RE: Lotus and DMC developed Alpine A310 for sale
Monday 22nd November 2021

Lotus and DMC developed Alpine A310 for sale

Behold one of just seven cars bought to facilitate the development partnership between Lotus and DeLorean



There are interesting cars and there are interesting cars. I think this qualifies as the latter, don't you? And because neither DeLoreans nor Alpine A310s are my specialist subject, it's taken me on a journey of enlightenment. I hadn't realised, for example, that John DeLorean's quest to build his infamous, two-door sports car had meant quite so many variations from concept to final production.

For a start, there were the numerous engine proposals. The first of which was a Wankel motor but that was dropped in favour of a Cologne V6. That was then superseded by a Citroën 2.0-litre from the CX, which was eventually canned because it was felt to be underpowered.

In the end, a solution was found in the form of the Peugeot-Renault-Volvo (PRV) 2.9-litre V6, but that necessitated shifting the power unit installation from midships to beyond the rear axle, and in turn that led to a complete re-engineering programme being enacted. That task was passed on to Colin Chapman and Lotus Cars. Chapman decided to drop the patented (but costly and complex) elastic reservoir moulding (ERM) technique, which was originally going to form the DMC-12's plastic chassis. Instead, he moved to a steel backbone chassis that was along the same lines as the Esprit's and the Alpine A310's.



Because the A310's rear-engine drivetrain was also similar to what was proposed for the DMC-12 - including using the same V6, albeit initially with a smaller-capacity 2.6-litre PRV - it was decided that the A310 would make the ideal testbed to engineer the DMC-12's running gear. All of which brings us to this particular Alpine A310. As the advert states, it is one of seven A310s that were eventually purchased by DeLorean and used by Lotus Cars during that very development programme.

The A310 is already an interesting car, but I would argue that this car's provenance elevates it into the super-interesting league. After all, its history is entwined with John DeLorean and the legendary Chapman, and it played a part in one of the most eventful automotive escapades from the latter part of the twentieth century. And who knows, could this be the car that the A310 that should've been? The Alpine never really received the development programme it needed to keep pace with the Porsche 911 and, as its production run rolled on, sales dwindled relative to the 911 - even in its strongly patriotic homeland.

One would assume that some of Chapman's brilliance for car set-ups would've filtered into this A310's suspension, which is described as having fully adjustable dampers. It also has 15-inch wheels instead of the standard car's 13-inch alloys, and the split, diamond-turned rims with gold hubs look very period and very cool. Interestingly, they retain the three-stud format used with other A310s. Whether you're a fan of Chapman, DeLorean or Alpine, this car would seem to be a must-have for your collection.




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Iamnotkloot

Original Poster:

1,915 posts

177 months

Monday 22nd November 2021
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Interesting piece of French wedge....I like it

snotrag

15,703 posts

241 months

Monday 22nd November 2021
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Very cool that.

Instantly recognise the gravel and wooden doors too, that seller always has lots of very nice Lotus stock in...!

samoht

7,296 posts

176 months

Monday 22nd November 2021
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Holy arch gap Batman! Was this the prototype for the top-secret crossover derivative of the DMC-12?

(I expect it's just had the adjustables raised for transport purposes, but surely worth lowering for pics?).


This would be a perfect exhibit for the DeLorean museum that Northern Ireland should have, but doesn't. It's a hell of a story, even without the BTTF link.

The whole DeLorean/Chapman saga remains a bit mysterious and interesting; a bright spark of hope that flared briefly and then died, leaving only a dream of what might have been.

Turbobanana

8,494 posts

231 months

Monday 22nd November 2021
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Those are possibly the finest seats I have ever seen in a car.

Water Fairy

6,641 posts

185 months

Monday 22nd November 2021
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That's one hell of a transmission tunnel in the back! Also needs lowering. Overall very retro cool. Anyone any idea of power figures? 160?

Dave Hedgehog

16,366 posts

234 months

Monday 22nd November 2021
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Turbobanana said:
Those are possibly the finest seats I have ever seen in a car.
i love the fact you can individual adjust the height of each testicle cushion, perfect for the older gentleman

samoht

7,296 posts

176 months

Monday 22nd November 2021
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Water Fairy said:
That's one hell of a transmission tunnel in the back!
Yeah, it's as if the gearbox is permanently occupying the middle seat in the back row smile Still, the ability to get four people into such a small light car plus a V6 engine is testament to the packaging benefits of the RR layout.

Maccmike8

1,612 posts

84 months

Monday 22nd November 2021
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Slight kitcar car look to it, I really like that.

Panamax

9,949 posts

64 months

Monday 22nd November 2021
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Interesting? Yes

Desirable? I'm not so sure. It's not as if the end result went on to automotive good fortune.
One the positive side there might be a bundle of used notes in the glove box or a stash of cocaine in the chassis rails!

DrFeelAverage

83 posts

117 months

Monday 22nd November 2021
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Considering they shared powerplants it makes a lot of sense that these would have been the test bucks for the Delorean.

I have a soft spot for these, ever since seeing one in the mid 90s Japanese animated show Neon Genesis Evangelion. The car in that show is a four-banger with the full width light setup, which was changed for the V6. It was also perplexingly converted to RHD and EV, presumably to reflect the distant future year of 2015 the show was set in.


Chubbyross

5,007 posts

115 months

Monday 22nd November 2021
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I loved these when they were first around, but now? They look a little like someone’s been shown a picture of a classic 70s Maserati or DeTomaso and told to go and build one in their shed from memory.

anonymous-user

84 months

Monday 22nd November 2021
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Chubbyross said:
I loved these when they were first around, but now? They look a little like someone’s been shown a picture of a classic 70s Maserati or DeTomaso and told to go and build one in their shed from memory.
Came here to say something similar but you phrased it far better than what I had in mind. Interesting history but pretty revolting to look at.

Co-incidentally a friend of a friend has just bought a Delorean.

mrmotorhome

131 posts

172 months

Monday 22nd November 2021
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Beauty as ever very much in the eye of the beholder. I think the A310 looks better than the later GTA and A610 and miles better than almost anything made today, although the Emira looks promising (look forward to seeing that in the plastic).

martin12345

1,014 posts

119 months

Monday 22nd November 2021
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I suspect I am in a minority (of those that comment at least) but to my eyes this is a poorly resolved car
From some angles it is really quite pretty, from others it is glaringly mishapen to accomodate the mechanicals underneath
Overall it just doesn't come together well for me
As mentioned by someone else it has the feel of a kit car about it and I have to feel a company like Renault could have and should have done better

I would rather be sailing

65 posts

90 months

Monday 22nd November 2021
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Would love this in my garage alongside an original A110. Recent convert to the whole Alpine thing. My new A110 is as good as everyone says.

GTRene

22,681 posts

254 months

Monday 22nd November 2021
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Those wheel center's look like copper material, also look like cut out a plate and there's your wheel center, looks strange and a bit cool? love/hate?


Kipsrs

721 posts

79 months

Tuesday 23rd November 2021
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Quite hideous to look at, I think someone watched to many UFO episodes whilst designing it. Why such a gap in the wheel arches?

Jon_S_Rally

4,499 posts

118 months

Tuesday 23rd November 2021
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Panamax said:
Interesting? Yes

Desirable? I'm not so sure. It's not as if the end result went on to automotive good fortune.
One the positive side there might be a bundle of used notes in the glove box or a stash of cocaine in the chassis rails!
Given how much of a fanbase there is for the DeLorean, I would say that this would be very desirable to a lot of collectors. People love a story that's gone wrong as much as a successful one.

Debaser

8,566 posts

291 months

Tuesday 23rd November 2021
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Colin Chapman decided to change the 13” wheels to 15” wheels?? What a loser! He clearly didn’t know anything about how to set up a chassis!!

The one thing I’ve learned from PH is that smaller wheels are better!

Steve loves Esprit

91 posts

77 months

Tuesday 23rd November 2021
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“Lotus and DMC developed Alpine A310” makes a nice headline, but basically wrong - sorry.

When the DeLorean project started, it was already behind schedule. Thanks to daily improvisation of all engineering teams, they literally invented simultaneous engineering.

At that time, a way of cutting corners was to get existing cars for benchmarking.
e.g. DeLorean bought a blue Ferrari 308 and a red Porsche 928 and gave it Lotus engineering for “inspiration”. Needless to say, that managing directors could use them on weekends.

At the very beginning, DeLorean bought a couple of Alpine A310, LHD European spec, which were modified to US spec 2.85litre fuel injection.

One of these Alpine was used in January 1979 to give Roger Cook, BBC Radio 4’s The World at One a test-drive, which he commented very negatively later in his show. Actually, he was misleading in a way, that he claimed to have driven a DeLorean.

Anyway, the Alpine was simple a stopgap for DeLorean to show everyone regarding engine power what they could do in the future, although promised to be ready now.

To finish the Alpine story:
Legend Industries were responsible for developing the Twin turbo DeLorean’s along with the unfinished single turbo project. They were based on Long Island New York and in total converted four DeLorean’s.
AND tested the engines in two Alpines VIN 45123 and VIN45124.

About this Alpine here, left/ right rear mirrors are from later cars. Rims are mentioned as not original. DMC never did any research or engineering – Lotus did it.
Lotus started from beginning to build the DeLorean like an Esprit. Lotus was testing a lot of cars, but they did not modify them. No time, no need, no financial reward.

DeLorean used 195/60-14 front and 235/60 – 15 rear. (see: Fall 1980 DMC Newsletter)

Nice, if it is believed that rims and suspension were done by Lotus.


Picture below from: John Z, the DeLorean and Me by Barrie Wills.